Are cruise ships a libertarian paradise?

by on July 19, 2005 at 6:27 am in Economics | Permalink

The cruise ship Voyager holds more than a half-million gallons of fuel, five tons of meat, forty thousand eggs, and more than two tons of flour.  Its eight thousand passengers form a floating mini-city.  The cruise ship operator provides a large number of public goods.  Its laws are private, and imposed by contract.  Do not expect democratic procedures.  To the extent they treat you well, it is due to reputational concerns.  Many of the doctors and nurses do not have proper governmental credentials.  The laborers come from around the world, and the manual labor typically comes from very poor countries, such as Honduras or the Philippines.  Customers choose across a large number of cruises, and typically seek out similar demographics.  The sector is close to tax-exempt and encounters only minimal regulation.

Those facts are from Kristoffer Garin’s Devils on the Deep Blue Sea: The Dreams, Schemes and Showdowns that Built America’s Cruise-Ship Empires, an interesting new book.  By the way, this book claims that fraud and food poisoning are rampant on cruise ships.

Here is an article about seasteads as a means of realizing libertarian ideals.  Randall Parker proposes cruise ships instead of nursing homes

Outside of a brief Galapagos jaunt, I’ve never been on a cruise — I would not be able to stand the socializing, bland food, and forced confinement — so I am in no position to judge.  But if I were a libertarian anarchist, this is what I would be studying. 

Ted July 19, 2005 at 7:47 am

For such study, you’d have to find cruise ships that don’t dock at the US, since the Supreme Court has held that the mere act of doing so subjects them to certain lawsuits and non-discrimination laws.

The cruise-ship instead of nursing home idea came up before; has there been any progress in establishing it as an apples-to-apples comparison?

There are cruises that specialize in poker, in political lectures, in astronomy; it’s surprising if none have thought to specialize in food that’s not bland, but perhaps that will come when our generation is elderly.

Don July 19, 2005 at 10:42 am

Tiebout.

Ashish Hanwadikar July 19, 2005 at 2:40 pm

No word on whether we can take weapons on the cruise ships!

Christopher Rasch July 19, 2005 at 4:22 pm

The Four Seasons hotel chain is planning to operate a residential cruise ship:

http://www.condohotelcenter.com/industry-news/in29.htm

“The M/S Four Seasons to operate under a similar plan as that of Residensea, a condos-at-sea vessel, only all the cabins will be sold as residences instead of having a mix of residents and cruise vacationers. The ship will be comprised of 100 “residences,” according to a release from Kvaerner Masa-Yards, “ranging in size from 125 to 320 square meters.”

mobile July 19, 2005 at 7:17 pm

Bland food on cruise ships? What the heck do you eat
when you’re not on a cruise?

Robert Schwartz July 19, 2005 at 9:54 pm

A ship by definition cannot be a libertarian paradise. The oldest tradition of the sea is that the captain of the ship is an absolute monarch, whose word is law. Opposing him brings the charge of mutiny, the most serious offense a sailor can commit. He may be a martinet and a tyrant or a philospher king and laissez faire, but he is the monarch.

I should think that rule by an absolute monarch, even one of the most sanguine tempermant, is fundamentally inconsistent with any libertarian or liberal philosophy. Therefor, no ships will ever be a libertarian paradise.

Steven Kane July 20, 2005 at 2:32 am

“A ship by definition cannot be a libertarian paradise. The oldest tradition of the sea is that the captain of the ship is an absolute monarch, whose word is law. Opposing him brings the charge of mutiny, the most serious offense a sailor can commit. He may be a martinet and a tyrant or a philospher king and laissez faire, but he is the monarch.

I should think that rule by an absolute monarch, even one of the most sanguine tempermant, is fundamentally inconsistent with any libertarian or liberal philosophy. Therefor, no ships will ever be a libertarian paradise.”

That would be true, except for the fact that those who stepped on the ship explicity contracted to be under his rule. Hence, the cruise ship is not going to have tyrants as captains, lest the cruise ship company goes out of business.

Anarchist libertarians do not reject the idea of social elites (people who rise to positions of leadership), rather they reject the idea of being ruled by political authoritarians in which no explicit contract between them exists.

Robert Schwartz July 22, 2005 at 1:09 pm

“Sez who? Libertarian/liberal philosophy is a philosophy on how we should be governed, not who should do the governing”

John Locke.

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