"I don’t know if Wal-Mart would be good or bad for banking in the long run. But I’ll bet ATM fees would come down pretty quick."
Here is more detail. Wal-Mart has applied for deposit insurance protection in the state of Utah, so it can open an industrial loan corporation. Surprise, surprise, American banks don’t like the idea.
My take: Since the New Deal the United States has upheld a legal separation between banking and commerce. The banking sector receives deposit insurance and access to the Fed as lender of last resort, but is placed under special supervision and must meet capital requirements. You — especially my libertarian readers — may not like this deal but in the short-run, medium-run and perhaps the long-run as well, it is a fact.
As a first-cut approximation, this deal is for banks a tax in good times but a subsidy in bad times.
So what happens if you let banking and commerce blend too much? One danger is that you extend Fed subsidies to the commercial sector. Should we have to bail out banks because their commercial arms have gone under? (Don’t expect too much of Chinese walls in a crisis.) What if GM had a bank and the whole concern went under next year? Widespread chicanery with pension funds is not reassuring in this regard.
A quite different danger is that the less-regulated commercial firms can outcompete banks. I suspect Wal-Mart is run much better than most banking firms, which don’t seem to care much about customer service. But if enough deposits shift to the commercial sector, banks-as-we-know-them might drop like rotten apples. Creative destruction is all well and fine, but here the taxpayer is holding the bag. And if traditional banks approach extinction, they might take excess risk as their capitalization falls, as happened with many S&Ls in the 1980s.
How far can we let commerce and banking mix? The lending arms of automobile companies so far have worked fine. The old "non-bank banks" — most prominently Sears Roebuck — did not create major troubles for the Fed, although banks hated the lesser regulated competition. But somewhere along the line, enough stones add up to form a pile.
View one: Wal-Mart is a big enough stone to constitute a pile. Don’t let it happen. Greenspan himself was skeptical of the ILC exemption.
View two: Wal-Mart in Utah is just one stone. This reform will make customers better off, while keeping us on the safe side of the line.
View three: Letting Wal-Mart into banking will force other beneficial banking reforms, such as pricing deposit insurance for risk, or greater reliance on private insurance.
View four: All the worries are hogwash, full steam ahead.
Right now your risk-averse blogger is hovering between views one and two. Stay tuned…















View Five: good for Utah, bad for the other 49 states.
a) Federalism in banking does not have a great history.
b) Utah does not have a good history with its choices of progressive economic legislation.
(This is a loophole from when Utah had more crackpots that it does now … and most of America still thinks Utah is outside the box in a bad way.)
But, here’s the tradeoff: views two, three and four are probably the most correct, so Wal-Mart will help cleanse Utah of ILCs through stiff competition, but leave the rest of the country open to the effects of view one.
As a Utah resident I’m all for this, but as an economist I have my doubts.
RE ATM Fees: You do realize that it costs banks money to operate ATMs, and that to a limited extent banks extend you credit when you use one of their ATMs as a non-customer? The bank has to wait until it can process the transaction against your bank (the ACH is not free), the $2 is charged to cover that expense.
And I’m all for Wal-Mart getting into commercial banking as long as they have to play by exactly the same rules as everyone else.
Timothy -
Of course banks occur some costs associated with ATM’s, but it surely isn’t $2 per transaction, in fact it’s probably not even close.
Peter-
I work for an armored courier and we replenish and maintain ATMs. I can tell you that we charge an outrageous fee for such a dangerous activity. Also remember that there are ATMs on almost every corner nowadays, so competition has brought the fees down as far as they’ll go.
Deregulate the banks, full steam ahead.
The problem isn’t that Wal-Mart’s thinking of getting into banking. The problem is the cartelisation of the American banking industry under the Federal Reserve.
- Josh
ATM fees? Huh, you what? Charges to get your own money out of the bank?
Say it ain’t so, Joe.
PS. I’m English.
No way that ATM fees go down. The 7th largest bank in the U.S. didn’t charge fees at it’s ATMs for the last 5 years and had to abandon that policy last year because it ended up punishing it’s own customers. Customers from all the other banks would use their ATMs for free, while their own customers had to endure longer lines, and when their customers went to other institutions, they were hit with the fees. Providing a free service to the customers of other institutions didn’t end up working, and WalMart would figure this out pretty quick. They are by no means altruistic.
This is more of a question than a comment:
What about the idea of a credit union for Sam’s Club members?
As for the asset question, Mr. Schwartz has clearly never been to a Wal-Mart in Florida–a bank that gets the checking and savings accounts and CDs of a bunch of retirees will do well for itself.
Option 2 for Wal-Mart would be to get into the “unbanked” market–arguably they’d do a real public service by driving out the predatory lenders and check-cashing businesses, and they’d make a killing at it, particularly if they went all-EBT (unbanked people don’t need or want checkbooks–give the unbanked population a debit card that lets them make a deposit at any Wal-Mart cash register in the country).
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