Diet and politics

by on March 15, 2007 at 6:32 am in Food and Drink | Permalink

A loyal MR reader wants to hear about:

’08 elections. where Kurzweil and company are most right and most wrong. veganism/vegetarianism/cave man diet/pescatarianism/organic.

1. Yes it does matter who wins but my gut reaction is to compare candidates to soap commercials.  At the end of the day there is a soap bar in your hand, but interest in the topic is driven mostly by our irrational side, programmed to respond emotionally to human faces and characters.  Candidate blogging usually bores me.  If you are figuring out who to vote for, try to predict a politician’s ruling coalition.  The current political question is whether the bad tendencies of Bush 43 are one-time or represent a shift in the political equilibrium and what it takes to govern; I think it is about 50-50 in each direction.

2. Here is my earlier post on the singularity, try to spot the facetious sentence.

3. I have nothing against eating animals per se, even live ones, but I think it is immoral to eat animals raised under awful conditions, such as factory farming.  Personally, I often try to be good but I often fail as well.  I never feel bad eating meat in Europe, and animal welfare is the best argument for European farm subsidies.  I will pay more for humanely-raised food, but I won’t drive through ten minutes of extra traffic to get it. 

4. For a diet I recommend fish, nuts, fruit, green vegetables, and lots of braised pork belly.  At least that’s what tastes good.  Few processed foods are worth buying; I come close to the caveman diet view without being dogmatic.  A good bread is not to be rejected and come on, can rice really be that bad for you?  Just avoid all junk foods.

#26 in a series of 50.

Scott Kustes March 15, 2007 at 8:07 am

Tyler,
Good word on the diet. I recommend meat (which includes seafood and eggs), vegetables, nuts, healthful oils (olive, coconu, and palm), fruit, sweet potatoes, and squashes. It should be a goal, but I don’t think giving up all legumes, dairy, and grains is absolutely necessary for proper health. Cause I do love a nice crusty bread with a soft middle and occasionally a nice cheese makes its way into my nutrition plan as well. Rice is just boring anyway, so I can do without it. It’s all tweaking once you get past the removal of sugar, trans fats, and highly processed grains.

Scott Kustes
Modern Forager

AZ March 15, 2007 at 8:54 am

chris wants to hear about eating live animals. If you don’t want to read about this then you might want to skip the comment.

He suggests animals such as worms, which might have been eaten alive on a show like Fear Factor. If not worms then certainly other types of insects were eaten alive on the show.

A Chinese friend of mine has told me about Chinese “delicacies” involving live animals. I have no empirical evidence as to whether or not these are true. One is “live monkey brain”. As you might imagine, the monkey is strapped down. A second is “live fish”. Somehow the middle portion (i.e. the meat) of the fish is fried while the head and tail are not and the fried portion is eaten. A third had a name that he said translated into “3 screams” and involved eating mice. Again, I don’t know whether or not these are true but I asked another Chinese friend (who didn’t know the first Chinesed friend) about thte “3 screams” and she had heard of it.

Of course, many non-human carnivores eat “live” animals all the time. At least they start out that way – recall Tyler’s post of the video of the tiger, or think about how a shark obtains food, or an owl.

eriks March 15, 2007 at 9:43 am

I hear that in China the live food is generally squid or something like it. They say you can feel the tentacles squirming in your belly.

Tyler, how do you reconcile eating at restaurants and trying not to eat animals raised under awful conditions? Do you inquire where they get their meat at every restaurant?

Harald Korneliussen March 15, 2007 at 10:58 am

“I never feel bad eating meat in Europe, and animal welfare is the best argument for European farm subsidies.”

Oy, do you know what a “Belgian Blue” is?

liberty March 15, 2007 at 11:23 am

ick. I probably should have skipped the other comments. I just wanted to put in my two cents which is that I do think that different metabolisms and genetic predispositions require different nutrition to some extent.

There is no “one right diet” that works for everyone. For example,some people would have to eat hourly in order not to burn vegetarian proteins too fast, while other people have difficulty breaking down meat and dairy proteins at all and do quite well as vegans. Some people require more iron than others, etc. I thought that I was healthy as a vegetarian for a long time, recently I began to eat meat against and suddenly have fuller and stronger hair – so much so that it seems as if I might have been unknowingly undernourishing myself for years. Some of it is finding the right nutrients – eating a lot of fish and nuts and so on, but it isn’t all about that.

Imagine a big boned 200 pound football player type eating a traditional Japanese dit, and you’ll understand what I mean.

Rich March 15, 2007 at 11:57 am

“I will pay more for humanely-raised food”

Whereas I prefer Exploitation Meat, in which the animals are treated especially poorly.

http://www.marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2005/12/who_benefits_fr.html

Varangy March 15, 2007 at 12:51 pm

3. I have nothing against eating animals per se, even live ones, but I think it is immoral to eat animals raised under awful conditions, such as factory farming. Personally, I often try to be good but I often fail as well. I never feel bad eating meat in Europe, and animal welfare is the best argument for European farm subsidies. I will pay more for humanely-raised food, but I won’t drive through ten minutes of extra traffic to get it.

While this blog can certainly be a ‘Great Blog’ at times. Tyler’s affected elitist, subtle anti-Americanism sneaks out every once in a while and ruins it for me. (e.g. see his Russian wife posts)

I am European, and not fooled by the occasional cute EU cow munching contentedly by the side of the strada.

Each EU cow is subsidized to the tune of (roughly) 700 euros/year. Even as a libertarian, in principle, against all subsidies — I can think of a 1,000 more humanistics things to do with that money – and not subsidize Tyler’s implicit anti-Americanism.

Carl Shulman March 15, 2007 at 3:39 pm

The facetious sentence:
“More generally, Kurzweil has thirty-four good arguments why his scenario will happen, but only one of those has to fail.”

Kurzweil talks about multiple paths to superhuman intelligence. If a theory of AI is beyond unaided human ability, then biotechnology can be used to increase maximum human ability, or brute-force brain simulation might be used, etc.

liberty March 15, 2007 at 4:13 pm

Also, especially humane treatment is nice, but a kg of ground chuck in the UK costs 2.90 pounds or about $5.60, which is $12.32 per pound!!

As a comparison, you can get ground chuck in the states for about $3.50 pound.

If you are already overtaxed and unpaid, I think you might prefer to eat American cows, many of whom graze happily in big southwest fields for most of their lives.

Derek March 15, 2007 at 8:03 pm

Look, the animal is going to die for our satisfaction regardless of where it is raised. As long as it is a healthy animal, it doesn’t seem to matter to me. I think that the price of some meats is getting a little pricey, if the animal is raised on all organics, then you know it will cost more for the meat.

David Zetland March 16, 2007 at 12:23 pm

“Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants.” says Michael Pollan (author of Omnivore’s Dilemma) in a 10,000 word essay. Good summary if you don’t want to read his book.

His site is hacked. Here’s a link to a PDF on my website: http://www.kysq.org/pollan.pdf

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