A new theory of suicide

by on March 1, 2009 at 2:40 pm in Science | Permalink

This morning I read this:

In essence, Joiner proposed that people who kill themselves must
meet two sets of conditions on top of feeling depressed and hopeless.
First, they must have a serious desire to die…Second, and most important, people who succeed in killing themselves must be capable of doing the deed.

Maybe it’s the fault of the press coverage (remember when Modigliani won the Nobel Prize?…”people save for their old age”) but then I thought of this.

AGMycroft March 1, 2009 at 3:00 pm

For (I believe) James Tobin’s work on diversification, the press “pressed” him for a layman’s explanation. He said “You know, don’t put all your eggs in one basket.”

Headlines then screamed, “Economist Wins Nobel Prize for “Don’t Put All Your Eggs in One Basket.”

That said, the idea that suicide is the outcome of a long process — and that weakening your will to live at the same time that you weaken your body’s ability to withstand shocks is an effective way to succeed — is basically the same as a theory of success in anything (e.g., that large-scale success is a long process, and that by building up your willpower and your capabilities at the same time, you build towards your greatest accomplishment.)

steven_m_s March 1, 2009 at 3:13 pm

suicide is when the will to die out weighs the will to live.

Cyrus March 1, 2009 at 5:36 pm

And athletes, who are reasonably successful at killing themselves when they try, are people who have already built a tolerance to pain.

agm March 1, 2009 at 8:10 pm

Monty Python instead of Better Off Dead?

Superheater March 1, 2009 at 9:16 pm

Not sure I’ve ever been more certain that economists projecting economic analysis into “non-traditional” areas is misguided. There’s a certain dispassion here that borders on depraved indifference.

John March 1, 2009 at 10:48 pm

This matches what we know about treating depression – deeply depressed people may only commit suicide after the anti-depression drugs have started to kick in, since the drugs grant them enough energy to do the deed.

Hansrudolf Suter March 2, 2009 at 4:58 am

to kill yourself is saying yes to Life as it should be, not as it is.

Barkley Rosser March 2, 2009 at 2:47 pm

This will annoy some regular readers here, but heck.
So, indeed, ability to kill oneself is a major factor.
One aspect of this is general availability of guns,
especially handguns. Twice as many people in the US
die from gun-induced suicides as from gun homicides.
People like John Lott get all excited by the vague
evidence that having more guns around might reduce
gun homicides, but the correlation between gun availabilty
and gun suicides is far stronger.

This is relevant in the Washington area and in the issue
of Washington getting a Congressional vote, as the gun
advocates are trying to impose further what the US Supreme
Court has already moved to do, getting rid of D.C.’s anti
handgun law. As it is, up until recently, D.C. had both
the lowest rate of gun ownership in the US and also the
lowest rate of gun suicides in the country. Count on the
latter going up, thanks to the efforts of Lott and crew.

TGGP March 2, 2009 at 11:55 pm

Barkley, not only that, but gender differences in suicide are greatly reduced among veterinarians or in third world countries where women have easy access to toxic chemicals. Because I am a suicide pro-choicer, that doesn’t make me want to get rid of guns.

Dr.Kiriyu March 20, 2009 at 11:56 am

A new suicide method has been developed as an alternative to hanging suicide and briquette suicide (carbon monoxide poisoning).
You don’t have to provide rope for suicide by hanging or make a fire for suicide by carbon monoxide poisoning.
It is easier than suicide by hanging or by briquette (carbon monoxide poisoning).

Only mix 2 kinds of liquids those you can buy at drugstore or at gardening corner of homecenter.
[Hydrogen sulfide],a potent poison than carbon monoxide,occur quickly.
* It is sometimes misunderstanded with “chlorine gas”,but it is [Hydrogen sulfide],more potently. *
You can lose your senses in a second(knock down:painless!!) if you breath [high concentration hydrogen sulfide] over 1000ppm!!!!
You can’t “knock down” with “chlorine gas”!

Strong Acid + Calcium Polysulfides = Hydrogen sulfide (H2S)

*If in a bathroom or a car,enough with each 2 litters (about half gallon).
*You can use sulfuric acid of a car battery as strong acid, and you can use a pesticide lime sulfur as calcium polysulfides.

It reachs a fatal concentration above 1000ppm quickly.
(Please mix in a vessel, such as buckets)

Acid Sources
Lysol(R) Ready to Use Disinfectant (4-8 percent citric and hydroxyacetic acid)
Lysol(R) Toilet Bowl Cleaner (9.5 percent HCl)
Sno Bol(R) Toilet Cleaner (15 percent HCl)
The Works(R) Toilet Bowl Cleaner (15-25 percent HCl)
Blu-Lite(R) Germicidal Acid Bowl Cleaner (20.5 percent phosphoric acid)
Kaboom(R) Shower, Tub, and Tile Cleaner (5-7 percent urea-monohydrochloric acid)
Tile, stone cleaners (1-30 percent HCl)

Sulfur Sources
Artist oil paints (0-15 percent zinc sulfide)
Dandruff shampoos (1.0 percent selenium sulfide)
**Pesticides (5-30 percent calcium polysulfides) coooooooooool!!!!!!!!
Spackling paste (1-2 percent zinc sulfide)
Some latex paints (6.6 percent zinc sulfide)
Garden fungicides (5-90 percent sulfur)

Hydrogen Sulfide: A Potential First Responder Hazard
Advisory New York State Office of Homeland Security September 26, 2008
Emergency Managers Advisory
http://srems.com/site/newsFiles/DHS_Note_Hydrogen_Sulfide.pdf

Dangerous Japanese ‘Detergent Suicide’ Technique Creeps Into U.S.
http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2009/03/japanese-deterg.html

Chemical TerrorismFact Sheet
Blood Gas Agents – Hydrogen Sulfide
http://www.bioterrorism.slu.edu/blood/quick/hydrosul.pdf

Mujahideen Poisons Handbook
http://thedisease.net/functions.php?PHPSESSID=35ecd42d8c5c82507b03643c3e05485d&arcanum=nbc/chemical/Mujahideen_Poisons.pdf

Dr.Kiriyu December 13, 2009 at 5:36 am

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