Counterintuitive stories

by on March 4, 2010 at 6:28 am in Current Affairs, Religion | Permalink

This one is from Canada:

Muslim group moves to ban burka

"Considering the fact that women are in fact forbidden from wearing burkas in the grand mosque in Mecca, Islam's holiest site, it hardly makes sense that the practice should be permitted in Canada, she said."
This is interesting as well, even though it does not come from Canada:
The proposed ban comes on the heels of reports that Sheikh Mohamed Tantawi, dean of Egypt's al-Azhar university and the country's highest Muslim authority, is poised to issue a fatwa, or religious edict, against the garments.
The full story is here and I thank Alex Conconi for the pointer.

1 enrique March 4, 2010 at 7:11 am

the fatwa against the burka may reflect that there is an optimal level of covering up a woman’s body: if you cover too little (the West), women become sluts, but if you cover too much (Taliban approach), it becomes hard to separate pretty women from ugly ones, which produces an information asymmetry in the marriage market

2 Millian March 4, 2010 at 7:49 am

Comment #1: See what playing with Hanson’s and Roissy’s denigrating misogynistic obsessiveness gives you, guys? It’s now acceptable to open a comment thread around with the statement that Western women are “sluts”.

3 ziel March 4, 2010 at 7:55 am

Comment #3: See what years of left-wing agitprop has brought you? The inability to distinguish one person’s interpretation of Islam’s views towards women with his own.

4 anon March 4, 2010 at 8:16 am

pretending and sarcasm generally aren’t techniques that let you communicate clearly on the internet.


You WERE making a joke, correct?

5 Dr. Richardson March 4, 2010 at 8:35 am

I don’t like burkas at all. I don’t see what’s the point. In western world you may see a beautiful married woman as well, that doesn’t mean that you are going to rush and steal her from her husband. Feels too oldschool to me. When we are in global financial and ecological crisis people think about the stupidest things possible, including how to hide their women from eyesight.

6 John March 4, 2010 at 9:00 am

I’m glad to see renewed interest in governments regulating how people dress. Bring back the medieval sumptuary laws! 🙂

7 A. Wyatt Liberal March 4, 2010 at 9:23 am

I think burkas are simply awesome, and are a great reflection of our vibrant and diverse society!

In fact, I think NY Times reading American males should start wearing hijabs, to show their tolerance of multiculturalism and respect for Islam, much like this forward thinking Dutch male in Eindhoven:

I also think we should increase immigration from Islamic countries! If we do, we can look forward to more vibrant incidents such as this:

Viva la diversity! Burkas are the bees knees!

8 dWj March 4, 2010 at 9:58 am

There are lots of things that are forbidden in the Grand Mosque that should be legal in Canada. That first excerpt is a bizarre premise short of a syllogism.

9 Pedro March 4, 2010 at 10:51 am

Just an observation: The Muslim Canadian Congress, the group that is advocating this, does not appear to have been a prominent organization prior to taking a stand on this issue.

10 Vermando March 4, 2010 at 12:26 pm

Just to temper things a bit – keep in mind that the very secular Egyptian government has taken over al-Azhar and now more or less dictates what the clerics there will say on controversial issues. I’m not saying it’s not still significant, for they still have some credibility in some quarters, and they are still very learned, serious folk despite living in a society dominated by a dictatorial state. But, if you know the structure of that society, this is not really a surprise.

11 Vehical Driver March 4, 2010 at 3:45 pm

Well, wearing masks or clown makeup in public without a license is illegal in New York City… and wearing a balaclava into a bank or federal building is likely to get you shot/arrested regardless of the legality… There is a long history of laws and social convention against wearing head coverings in public.

I think it is less of the government enforcing a burka ban, and more so the government wouldn’t extend special protections to the burka that exist right now (right now, you would be violating Canada’s human rights code for “discriminating” against someone for wearing a burka). For example, when making large purchases with a credit card, stores often ask for photo ID… presumably, if they wanted to see the face of a burka-clad woman to confirm identity, they could end up facing a local “human rights tribunal”.

12 Muffy March 4, 2010 at 8:13 pm

I’m not sure I would make much of this story. The “Muslim group” in question is the Muslim Canadian Congress, a very liberal Muslim organisation considered controversial even by fairly progressive Muslims. Such a declaration would be much more meaningful if it were from, say, the Islamic Society of North America, which commands much more support.

13 Wade Nichols March 5, 2010 at 11:59 am

The pedant is he who finds it impossible to read criticism of himself without immediately reaching for his pen and replying to the effect that the accusation is a gross insult to his person. He is, in effect, a man unable to laugh at himself.“—Sigmund Freud, The Ego and the Id.

Asini pedanti!” – Italian Philosopher Giordano Bruno

14 ortega March 6, 2010 at 12:58 pm

Can you share society with someone who refuses to show you his/her face?

15 Ilan Ben Menachem March 12, 2010 at 7:32 am

this years of left-wing agitprop has brought you? The inability to distinguish one person’s interpretation of Islam’s views towards women with his own.

16 3 Line corded phones November 4, 2010 at 11:46 am

Great Post.I like the link.Now expecting some good ideas from your upcoming post

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