The second strangest headline I read today

by on August 2, 2010 at 6:56 pm in Current Affairs | Permalink

Or is it the strangest?  In any case, I never thought it would be so close:

Mongolian neo-Nazis: Anti-Chinese sentiment fuels rise of ultra-nationalism

Don't neglect the photo.  The subheader is:

Alarm sounds over rise of extreme groups such as Tsagaan Khass who respect Hitler and reject foreign influence

Tsagaan Khass, by the way, means, rather incongruously, "White Swastika."  I wonder if they know that Hitler was an Austrian ruling Germany?  And, excuse me for sounding silly, but isn't respecting Hitler, in addition to all of its other problems, accepting foreign influence?  I guess "foreign" here means "Chinese."

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2 R. Pointer August 2, 2010 at 9:54 pm

Possibly they reject non-Deutsche influences?

3 matt August 2, 2010 at 10:33 pm

People do funny things when they’re forced into a place in the world they don’t like.

4 Cliff August 2, 2010 at 11:25 pm

Well I guess the Mongolians literally stole all the Chinese women a while back, to the point that they are now Chinese themselves and not caucasian, so maybe turnabout would be fair play?

5 agnostic August 3, 2010 at 12:04 am

Let’s see, rising ethnic solidarity among Central Asian nomads who felt endangered by a large Chinese empire whose elite had become corrupted and decadent, e.g. the recent bling-bling binge during their ongoing housing bubble, and the intra-Chinese competition this creates for wives…

It’s happened once before. Why not again?

6 Barkley Rosser August 3, 2010 at 12:54 am

The remark about Tibetan Buddhism is relevant. Mongolian Buddhism is usually described as being “Lamaist,” which
means that it is in the Vajraite/Tibetan tradition, although other Buddhist traditions also use the swastika. I
have seen swastikas on Buddhas in both China and Japan. So, “white swastika” is not so ridiculous for a nationalist
group in Mongolia, where almost everybody thinks that they are descended from Chingiss Khan (and many of them are).

7 londenio August 3, 2010 at 1:39 am

It reminds me of a Boges-ian idea when talking about argentinean nationalists in the 30s-40s: “Nationalists should reject nationalism because it is a foreign idea”

8 Contemplationist August 3, 2010 at 1:57 pm

I wouldn’t blame the Mongols for their fear of Chinese influence. The Chinese have already flooded Tibet with Han immigrants from the mainland, thus making their occupation permanent. Mongolia is a land-locked, poor country bordering the Red Dragon.

9 razib August 3, 2010 at 6:08 pm

“The Chinese have already flooded Tibet with Han immigrants from the mainland, thus making their occupation permanent.”

hm. this is a complicated issue. the autonomous province is still mostly tibetan, and it looks like it takes a lot of incentive to get han to remain in lhasa for any period of time. there are biological discomfort issues.

in “greater tibet,” which is more ecologically accessible to the han (parts of sichuan, qinghai, etc.), the tibetans have been demographically marginalized. but that hasn’t part of political tibet for a long time.

finally, more mongolians live in china than in mongolia itself. but they’re outnumbered 10:1 in innner mongolia. so it’s a real issue.

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