My favorite things Hungary

by on June 12, 2011 at 2:41 am in The Arts, Uncategorized | Permalink

The Austro-Hungarian empire does not count per se, so I will use the Hungarian language for demarcation.  As you might expect, there is lots:

1. Author: Peter Nadas, A Book of Memories, is a classic novel of ideas which is under-read in the United States.  Nadas has a new book coming out this fall.  Imre Kertesz doesn’t do much for me.

2. Movies: Bela Tarr, Satantango.  It’s over seven hours long, but don’t be put off.  It has some of the best shots of grazing cows and angry peasants committed to reel, and I wanted it to be longer.  It’s mesmerizing in a way that makes it one of the film classics of the new century.  I find Werckmeister Harmonies too corny but it has some fine scenes.  Less traditionally thought of as Hungarian is the great Emeric Pressburger, who collaborated with Michael Powell on numerous fine films.  Alexander Korda did The Thief of Baghdad.

3. Actor, Peter Lorre is the obvious choice, plus Bela Lugosi made the best Frankenstein ever, forget about Dracula.

4. Conductor: You have George Szell, Antal Dorati, Georg Solti, and Eugene Ormandy.  Szell was so often perfect, Dorati cut some of the best sounding records of all time, Solti’s whiplash style was either offputting or splendid, and Ormandy was deeper than he was given credit for.   Ivan Fischer is a more recent contender, for instance his Mahler’s 4th reflects a scrupulous concern with rehearsals.  Péter Eötvös is an excellent conductor of contemporary music.

5. Pianist: Gyorgy Cziffra and Ervin Nyiregyhazi are two memorable eccentrics.  Solti and Szell were underrated as pianists and Zoltan Kocsis is very good.  Don’t forget Franz Liszt, even though no recording has survived.

6. Scientist: There is Szilard, Teller, and von Neumann and many many others but can they come close to this top tier?  The options for Hungarian mathematicians defy belief.  Hungarian inventors were critical to the “great non-stagnation” of 1870-1940, including for the all-important electrical transformer; few if any of those names have survived much into general Western history which I suppose says something.

7. Artist: Victor Vasarely is the obvious choice, but I don’t like him so much.  This area seems oddly weak.  Am I forgetting something?  Mihaly Munkacsy anyone?

8. Economist: Janos Kornai comes to mind, and Melchior Palyi remains underrated.  I believe Milton Friedman’s parents were from Hungary.

The bottom line: You can’t gush enough about music and math and physics and science and invention.  The achievements from a small country are staggering and unprecedented.  Yet literature and painting are relatively weak.  Hungarian composers will get a post of their own, but there is a strong line-up of Liszt, Bartok, and Ligeti.  What else am I forgetting?  I can’t think of major films set in Hungary and I don’t count the Hollywoodesque The Shop Around the Corner even though nominally it is Budapest.

Neil the Ethical Werewolf June 12, 2011 at 2:45 am

I remember loving Thief of Baghdad when I was about 10.

Cauthon June 12, 2011 at 3:55 am

One more popular import from Hungary: The late Congressperson, Tom Lantos, (D-CA, but he was OK even though he was a Democrat:-) was the only person ever to serve in Congress who had lived under both the Nazis and the Communists; quite an achievement to survive through all that. Back in the 1950′s when he was a professor, and there was some controversy over whether to allow a Communist to come to the college and speak, Prof. Lantos offered to debate with the Communist. At the close of the debate, Prof. Lantos suggested that they try it again at his alma mater, the University of Budapest, but as far as I know, that institution never extended an invitation.

Greg June 12, 2011 at 4:05 am

Economists: John Harsanyi, Karl Polanyi

Scientists: Michael Polanyi and John Polanyi, the latter of whom won the Nobel Prize in Chemistry.

The Polanyi family seems to have produced a lot of big figures.

jn June 12, 2011 at 4:13 am

Tyler,

Did you forget Fritz Reiner? Some of the best performed and best sounding records of all time as well.

Chris R June 13, 2011 at 12:05 pm

Thanks, you beat me to Reiner! He could make Richard Strauss sound not-long-winded. I also second Moholy-Nagy–got to plug the Chicagoans at every opportunity. Didn’t know that Friedman’s ancestors had come from that funny little bit of Hungary/Slovakia/Ukraine which I can’t spell…I had thought Lviv (Lwow / Lemberg), which is actually where Mises’s family was from.

Too bad the Haydns don’t count; I can’t name an actual Hungarian-Hungarian composer pre-1900.

PeterI June 13, 2011 at 3:45 pm

Beregszász (the birthplace of Friedman’s parents)

Nicholas Marsh June 12, 2011 at 5:17 am

George Soros, Harry Houdini and Zsa Zsa Gabor are all world famous.

There are also Charles Simonyi (software), Imre Lakatos (philosophy), Rubik (the cube),

Nicolas Sarkozy is the son of a Hungarian.

ol June 12, 2011 at 5:21 am

Football – puskas

Also Laszlo Biro invented the Ballpoint pen.

PeterI June 12, 2011 at 5:40 am

For economists: Peter Bauer, Nicholas Kaldor, Thomas Balogh

For conductors: what do you think of Fricsay?

Dinah June 12, 2011 at 6:10 am

don’t forget Kurtag

Natalie June 12, 2011 at 6:18 am

Artists: Moholy-Nagy?

Hoover June 12, 2011 at 8:42 am

The Magyars have more than their fair share of photographers: Brassai, Capa, Munkácsi

Bernard Yomtov June 12, 2011 at 1:54 pm

Don’t forget Andre Kertesz.

Paul June 12, 2011 at 6:43 am

Antal Szerb’s Journey By Moonlight is (rightly, in my opinion) considered one of the great Hungarian novels. Szerb has recently been the subject of a number of excellent new translations by Len Rix (published by the outstanding Pushkin Press) – Journey By Moonlight, Oliver VII, The Pendragon Legend, The Queen’s Necklace, and Love In A Bottle.

Nirav June 12, 2011 at 6:56 am

How about Rubik’s cube vworlds largest selling toy?

liberalarts June 12, 2011 at 6:59 am

I haven’t been to Hungary since 1991, just after the iron curtain fell. But at that time the food in Hungary was among the best in Eastern Europe.

Daniel June 12, 2011 at 7:04 am

There was one point during the Manhattan Project where everything had to be translated from Hungarian into English so that all the scientists could work together.

Daniel Klein June 12, 2011 at 7:07 am

The following three figures are probably in my top 30 liberal thinkers of the twentieth century (the first two definitely):

Michael Polanyi, though born in Vienna.

Thomas Szasz, he left Hungary when he was 18.

Peter T. Bauer, he left Hungary when he was 19.

EnlightenedDuck June 12, 2011 at 7:19 am

There is no choice for Hungarian Mathematician.

Erdos.

RR June 12, 2011 at 8:06 am

+1
The most colorful of them all!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Erd%C5%91s

Richard Lubbock June 12, 2011 at 7:32 am

Denis Gabor – holography

Bill June 12, 2011 at 8:03 am

And, don’t forget about that Hugarian born great American Patriot, George Soros.

Bill June 12, 2011 at 8:09 am

It is interesting how many of the names on this list were persons either made their reputations in the West before the communist occupation or were born after the occupation and made their reputation while living in the West.

Any names of persons living in Hungary after the communist occupation who made a reputation in the West.

Or is this too Western centric. Any who made a reputation in Hungary that we should begin to recognize in the West.

RR June 12, 2011 at 8:10 am

Physicists : Also Eugene Wigner

Gareth June 12, 2011 at 8:10 am

There are all those Hungarians who worked in the British film industry after the war: Emmerich Pressburger, Alexander Korda, for two.

NickC June 12, 2011 at 8:12 am

I’d reiterate liberalarts – Hungarian food deserves a mention, as do some of their wines.

Enlightened Duck – no choice? Not even a thought for von Neumann?

NickC June 12, 2011 at 8:14 am

oh, and Tyler, your favourite things Hungarian doesn’t include any architecture? Budapest is a truly beautiful city.

JM June 12, 2011 at 8:48 am

How about chess? The greatest female chess player ever: Judit Polgar. (Her sisters are not too bad either.) Or Peter Leko who drew his match against Kramnik for the world chess championship. Earlier olimpic gold winners include Lajos Portisch, Ribli and Gyula Sax. Even before Geza Maroczy.

I agree that painting is relatively weak but I think you underrate Hungarian literature. Have you read anything from (among many others but these are my favourites) Endre Ady, Attila Jozsef, Istvan Örkény or the best pulp fiction writer ever Jenő Rejtő (alias P.Howard)? Probably the language is the part of the reason why Hungarian literature is not more famous.

Karoly June 12, 2011 at 8:51 am

To physicists, Wigner is probably the most familiar name.

In other disciplines: János Bolyai (non-Euclidean geometry), Dénes Gábor (holography), Albert Szent-Györgyi (vitamin C).

richard June 12, 2011 at 9:11 am

The list is incomplete without the Vizsla, the Hungarian pointer. Wonderful dog.

quigley June 12, 2011 at 9:20 am

Ditto on Satantango, an absolutely beautiful film. It sticks in your brain like few others.

Favorite foods from childhood: Haluska (cabbage & noodles), Kalacs (walnut strudel), palacsinta (crepes w/home made preserves)

dearieme June 12, 2011 at 9:44 am

Makes you wonder how much better the US might have done had she remained a loosely coordinated aggregation of “small countries” rather than an ever more centralised Empire.

RR June 12, 2011 at 10:48 am

In many respects the US remains frustratingly loosely aggregated ; dealing with different regulations and laws across the various states one sees very little centralisation except in issues such as foreign policy . The hoops other states make you jump through , when you are doing business from another state makes you feel you are dealing with other countries. As Bill pointed out a lot of this adulation is for people who lived in the West. A Hungarian in 1956 may have wondered if there was any light at the end of the tunnel.

1st year June 12, 2011 at 10:26 am

GOLDFINGER!

brian June 12, 2011 at 10:26 am

Bela Lugosi played both Ygor and the Frankenstein monster but never Frankenstein.

Jack Funchion June 12, 2011 at 10:37 am

Historian — John Lukacs, still writing at nearly 90. I had the pleasure of being his student.

Alexander June 12, 2011 at 10:39 am

Artist — Laszlo Moholy-Nagy. One of the leaders of the Bauhaus; should definitely be on the list.

chakira June 12, 2011 at 10:46 am

I don’t know about this neat dichotomy. For one thing, László Krasznahorkai is a pretty amazing writer among the best currently alive.

Nicholas Weininger June 12, 2011 at 11:00 am

Tibor Fischer is an excellent (IMHO) if somewhat controversial novelist; his early _Under the Frog_ remains the best literary portrait of the 1956 uprising I know of.

Joseph Lawler June 12, 2011 at 11:03 am

According to Philip Mirowski, John von Neumann was the greatest economist of the 20th century. You have him under “scientist.”

NNM June 12, 2011 at 11:04 am

The elephant in the room:

Many (if not most) of the people on Tyler’s list and in the comments were not considered particularly “Hungarian” at all for most of that country’s history — not legally, ethnically, or even linguistically. Many of the surnames are 19th century inventions.

This post seems less about “The achievements from a small country” than it is about a very brief golden age of Jewish emancipation and assimilation, from 1867 to 1944, and the achievements it produced. What was the reputation of Hungary before that period? What was it afterwards?

somethingblue June 12, 2011 at 11:09 am

Not a movie, but Sjöwall and Wahlöö’s “The Man Who Went up in Smoke” has a memorable central section set in Budapest.

vancouverboy June 12, 2011 at 11:55 am

John Von Neumann FTW!

* Von Neumann architecture for computers (still used to layout your Mac and PC to this say)
* Game theory
* One of several people that were the inspiration for Dr. Strangelove
* First Chess AI (very similar to the one used by Deep Blue)

As a side note, he thought his MINMAX algorithm for chess was “too trivial” to waste on precious computing time so he used to play chess with himself using MINMAX calculated with pencil & paper.

CBBB June 12, 2011 at 11:55 am

I’m surprised Mr. Ethnic Dining Guide didn’t list a few favourite dishes.

Bernard Yomtov June 12, 2011 at 12:30 pm

What NNM said.

Richard Lubbock June 12, 2011 at 12:52 pm

On a more serious note, I’ve heard that a Hungarian can follow you into a revolving door and come out in front.

Greg June 12, 2011 at 1:31 pm

The greatest Hungarian pianist was Franz Lizst, hands down (no pun intended).

Jonathan June 12, 2011 at 1:44 pm

Molnar?

Toledo McPherson June 12, 2011 at 2:45 pm

Gyula Krudy, read him

GW June 12, 2011 at 3:01 pm

The greatest Hungarian pianist in living memory may well have been Ernst von Dohnányi.

Hungarian literature is perhaps stronger in poetry (i.e. Kosztolányi, Ady, Weöres) and theatre (Molnár, of course), but Magda Szabó, Péter Esterházy, and Imre Kertész are all fine writers.

Steven Kopits June 12, 2011 at 3:17 pm

All very well and good. And let’s not forget that Budapest is one of the world’s most livable cities, certainly among the top five in the middle tier.

On the other hand, a bit of proper economic (and with it, political) governance would be helpful, and certainly the key requirement to allow that society to live up to its potential. George Kopits, an economist, might be considered a noteworthy contributor on that front.

Todd June 12, 2011 at 4:24 pm

Film: Istvan Szabo and Jancso Miklos seem choices that would hold up well to Pressburger’s body of work. Although, much of the later Szabo is not in Hungarian.

Todd June 12, 2011 at 4:40 pm

And while I like Nadas, I didn’t see anyone mention Sandor Marai, whose novels are quite good I think.

BucketofFried June 12, 2011 at 5:48 pm

The Mighty Magyars soccer team from the early 1950s. They were the first team to beat the English on English soil and did so in dramatic fashion, 6-3. The three lions traveled to Budapest the next year hoping for revenge but were butchered again. This time the ledger tallied 7-1. However, after beating West Germany 8-3 in the group stage, the Magyars lost to them in the final by a goal as their star, Ferenc Puskas, played injured.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Team

The Wikipedia article is interesting throughout. See the bit about Total Football and the virtures of Marxist principles.

Jermaine June 12, 2011 at 5:51 pm

Hungary was a fluid multi-ethnic country with many ethnic Germans and Jews and a very weak sense of national identity for most of its’ history. Therefore, discussing “Hungarians” from pre-WWII (pre-Magyar dominated) Hungary is tricky and needs some qualifying.

Marian Kechlibar June 13, 2011 at 5:19 am

This is half-right and half-not.

Multi-ethnic Hungary? Check. Many Germans and Jews? Check.

But Hungarian nationalism was very much alive already in the middle of the 19th century, and Hungarian ethnicity is strongly linked with the language, a de-facto isolate in a sea of Indo-European languages, horribly hard to learn for anyone but a small child.

The definition of a Hungarian as somebody who speaks Hungarian as his mother tongue is very reliable, and has been reliable for centuries.

Ak Mike June 12, 2011 at 5:58 pm

While mentioning Pressburger and Kordas, why leave out Michael Curtiz (“Casablanca”), George Pal (“The 7 Faces of Dr. Lao) and Billy Wilder?

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