Very good sentences for MLK day

by on January 18, 2016 at 1:03 pm in Uncategorized | Permalink

…it is remarkable to consider that 1/6 or 1/5 of total U.S. growth in income per worker may be due to greater economic opportunity. In short, reducing discriminatory barriers isn’t just about justice and fairness to individuals; it’s also about a stronger U.S. economy that makes better use of the underlying talents of all its members.

From Timothy Taylor, that is for women and blacks over the last fifty years, and does not even measure gains for other disadvantaged groups over time.

1 Art Deco January 18, 2016 at 1:09 pm

You mean it’s Taylor’s thesis that compliance costs and political patronage improve economic outcomes? Do tell…

2 Harun January 18, 2016 at 1:57 pm

Did Martin Luther King ask for that, though?

3 Piper January 18, 2016 at 4:06 pm

@Harun

“Did Martin Luther King ask for that, though?”

Why, yes; yes he did! (link). Martin Luther King did ask for “affirmative action.”

In fact, Taylor’s conclusion is bunk, not just because he assumes (counter-factually) that all potential workers have exactly the same innate abilities, but because he neglects the severe costs of “affirmative action,” upwards of 8% of GDP now (all of which is deadweight loss which reduces economic growth). America went from Jim Crow to color-blind to mandatory reverse discrimination in less than a decade. If America had just dismantled Jim Crow and enforced the Equal Pay Act as written, the bottom line result would likely be positive. But when “affirmative action” was instituted to provide sinecures for bureaucrats and to force employers and schools to take unqualified applicants in order to make the racial spoils numbers look good, the costs of that greatly exceeded the benefits from color-blindness and gender equality.

4 Rich Berger January 18, 2016 at 4:24 pm

Just scanned Taylor’s article and could find nothing about the costs of discrimination law (including the violence done to freedom of association and the insertion of government and lawyers into all facets of life). Some reference to charter schools, but not much about the damage that government schools have done to blacks. Businesses have incentives to find less costly productive factors – if blacks and women are more productive per dollar paid, why would they not hire them. Jim Crow laws, mandatory union laws and minimum wage laws were designed to prohibit employment of blacks.

5 The Original D January 18, 2016 at 5:10 pm

Art Deco wins the thread. Please let’s go back to 1963.

6 Rich Berger January 18, 2016 at 5:34 pm

Gee, where did he say that?

7 anon January 18, 2016 at 1:16 pm

FTA point #1
“Klenow builds up a model with some of these assumptions: “Each person possesses general ability (common to
all occupations) and ability specific to each occupation (and independent across occupations). All groups (men, women, blacks, whites) have the same distribution of abilities.”

But that’s obviously not true.

8 wiki January 18, 2016 at 7:41 pm

Someone who wasn’t trying to push an agenda would not have used these assumptions. If affirmative action and other regulatory changes had led to more skills mismatch, the costs of compliance and lowered productivity would easily overwhelm his income gains. Furthermore, in some cases (such as employees having to work in more conflict-ridden environments with touchy AA cases who must be supported despite underperforming) the income increases are merely compensating differential and do not represent true gains.

Of course none of this might be true, but a serious scholar trying to get at the facts would not simply assume them away.

9 anon January 18, 2016 at 8:48 pm

You don’t even need to be a racist or “biodiversity” proponent to realize that, for reasons of history, education, social environment, in utero or early childhood exposures, or early childhood education, that there are more qualified whites and asians than blacks. Hell, blame it on racism if you wish. The assumption is just silly.

10 rayward January 18, 2016 at 1:27 pm

The default human condition is negative; it takes effort to be positive. It’s probably part of evolutionary biology (lions and tigers and bears, oh my), which may help explain the popularity of apocalypticism. The combination of the increase in opportunities (especially for blacks and women) and the exponential increase in the world’s productive capacity (in places like China and India) should be cause for celebration; instead, it’s doom and gloom. Of course, it doesn’t help that much of the economic growth of the past 30 years has mostly inured to a very few, but with a correction there is the potential for an explosion of economic growth and economic well-being never experienced before.

11 chuck martel January 18, 2016 at 1:28 pm

Isn’t closing banks and giving all public employees a paid day off an economic negative? If it’s not, why not try putting public employees on a four day work week and cut their pay and benefits 20%?

12 JWatts January 18, 2016 at 2:16 pm

“Isn’t closing banks and giving all public employees a paid day off an economic negative?”

In general this is true, but specifically the good will generated by an attempt at social equanimity offsets the trivial loss. As longs as public holidays are rare, they’re probably a net economic benefit, but it’s almost certainly not a linear effect. So a few, well recognized holidays, is a public good, many public holidays would be a loss.

13 chuck martel January 18, 2016 at 2:18 pm

If it’s an “attempt at social equanimity”, whatever that is, is the attempt working?

14 Blake January 18, 2016 at 3:25 pm

I would say so. Every generation seems to have better relations across racial lines than the generation before. In addition, I cannot think of anyone trying to constrain women as much as they once were constrained.

15 Art Deco January 18, 2016 at 3:30 pm

I cannot think of anyone trying to constrain women as much as they once were constrained.

‘Constrained’ by what? My mother’s contemporaries were not ‘constrained’ any more than anyone else in a class-delimited society. The trade-offs you had to make were more severe, married men had more discretion over their free time, and married women did not fancy that the father of their children had no prerogatives in rearing them. The world in which we live – with abortion on demand, unilateral divorce on demand, and routinized bastardy – is not a better one than the world of 1955.

16 Cliff January 18, 2016 at 3:42 pm

Are you including Jim Crow in that assessment?

17 Larry Siegel January 18, 2016 at 4:17 pm

There are class distinctions within the effects of the sexual and women’s liberation tendencies of the last 50 years. The upper middle class has benefited, with higher incomes (two paychecks and more risk diversification) and more career freedom for women. The poor have been hurt, or hurt themselves, with fantastically high rates of single parenthood, fathers in prison, and less risk diversification than before.

18 Art Deco January 18, 2016 at 6:13 pm

No, the sort of woman who would have been career-oriented has more options, because the assumption that professional women were celibates dissipated. More domestically-inclined women received not more options but less respect. Esteem among your peers is pretty much zero-sum.

19 JWatts January 18, 2016 at 3:43 pm

“If it’s an “attempt at social equanimity”, whatever that is, is the attempt working?”

I’m uncertain.

20 chuck martel January 18, 2016 at 2:17 pm

June 27 should be a holiday, it’s Emma Goldman’s birthday.

21 JK Brown January 18, 2016 at 2:20 pm

As a good professor told us less than a month ago, we should wish everyone “Happy Federal Holiday” and move on.

22 Ed January 18, 2016 at 3:38 pm

There is a good point buried here. The way things have been evolving, public holidays are now mostly about closing banks and government offices. Service industry workers mostly don’t get the day off anymore. For the 40% of adults not participating in the labor force its pretty irrelevant.

I’m actually working today, for the federal government, so its not even the case that all federal government employees get the day off, but I’m still affected by banks and other government offices being closed.

So holidays have become nuisances to most of the population, offices providing services to the public are closed but most people don’t actually get the day off. Its time to rethink the entire concept.

23 Andre January 18, 2016 at 1:46 pm

“A half-century ago, white men dominated the high-skilled occupations in the U.S. economy, while women and minority groups were often barely seen. Unless one holds the antediluvian belief that, say, 95% of all the people who are well-suited to become doctors or lawyers are white men, this situation was an obvious misallocation of social talents”

I wonder what percentage of Trumps supporters believe this? What percentage of people on this blog for that matter? Is going back to this state of things what will ‘Make America Great’ again?

24 The Anti-Gnostic January 18, 2016 at 1:53 pm

It’s a fact: white-run Anglophone countries are more pleasant and productive. Demography is destiny.

25 prior_test January 18, 2016 at 2:02 pm

‘white-run Anglophone countries are more pleasant and productive’

Wirklich?

26 anon January 18, 2016 at 6:18 pm

What is it about the Bulgarian language that ruins it for all those nice white genes?

27 Art Deco January 18, 2016 at 3:25 pm

Demography is destiny.

Rubbish.

28 jim jones January 18, 2016 at 3:50 pm
29 ChrisA January 19, 2016 at 12:02 am

It’s interesting how different some of these GDP numbers are from each other – I would have thought that the process of estimating the GDP of a country and dividing it by the agreed population would be fairly well known now and agreed. I wonder what the source of these differences are, and whether there could be some large consistent error in one or all of them.

30 j r January 18, 2016 at 9:10 pm

“Demography is destiny.”

Say the folks who don’t actually have any real knowledge of demography apart from some bumper sticker aphorism.

31 The Anti-Gnostic January 19, 2016 at 8:18 am

It ain’t rocket science. People make countries; they aren’t just lines on a map.

32 Horhe January 19, 2016 at 8:31 am

@ The Anti-Gnostic: I agree with what you said, but I don’t think your last sentence means what you think it means in the context of immigration and different rates of reproduction.

33 Nathan W January 19, 2016 at 11:01 am

Or, history and culture matter.

34 The Anti-Gnostic January 20, 2016 at 11:08 am

History is human action and people generate culture. The Hajnal lines are highly relevant.

35 Jeff R. January 18, 2016 at 3:13 pm

I don’t think anyone honestly holds such an extreme view. That said, people of different ethnic groups vary along a lot of physical dimensions; it would be rather illogical to suspect that there were no psychological variances.

36 derek January 18, 2016 at 5:22 pm

Actually Trump supporters are horrified at how Democrats administer the places where they hold power. Blacks being shot, black areas being harassed by petty bureaucratic rules and fines. Blacks regularly being murdered. As well as the extreme inequality and lord/serf relationships that are obvious by driving around.

Did you vote for Rahm?

37 M January 20, 2016 at 5:14 pm

I’m not sure exactly what the Antediluvian view was. I think it was something like

“Men should earn money, to be a good prospect to form families. The most useful thing for women to do, is have children. People are malleable enough to do whatever job pretty well, so sorting for talent isn’t a high priority”. And so arrangements were made without too much mind to optimizing for talent.

People today neither care about family formation very much, nor do they believe that most people are good enough for most jobs. Today it’s all about the special ones, who mark themselves out through their education and dynamism, capturing the highest value occupations and all wealth, today, and it’s all about whether they’re successful in their career, and wealthy, with not much focus on whether they form a family.

Part of the thrust of this is like the quote – the idea that there are these enormous gains to be made from selecting for the highest quality people, and that paying them very high salaries and large renumeration will pay for itself, rather than marginal, rather unimportant gains, and that paying them very high salaries mostly just funnels money towards them in a sort of arbitrary way.

38 The Anti-Gnostic January 18, 2016 at 2:02 pm

You’ll feel better when President Trump replaces MLK Day with Hajj-Malik El Shabazz Day and renames all those streets.

39 8 January 18, 2016 at 2:04 pm

Too bad it was offset by mass immigration driving down low wages and an influx of non-blacks into black neighborhoods, driving out local black owned businesses.

40 chuck martel January 18, 2016 at 2:11 pm

Even before the Bolshevik Revolution Americans were worried about the godless Commies exporting their brand of government and culture to the rest of the world. Americans were happy with the fruit of 200+ years of relative isolation and wished things to remain as they were. In the 1950s and later billions of dollars were spent to repel the Soviet system that mandated gender equality in the workplace. Americans laughed at a Russian society so messed up that women had to work and kids were raised in day care. They tsk-tsked that abortions were the general method of birth control in the USSR. It looks like all those ICBMs, long-range bombers and super subs really turned out to be a good investment since none of those things forced their way into America.

41 JK Brown January 18, 2016 at 2:17 pm

Well, having grown up in the South where the highest concentration of American Blacks reside, I’d say your assertion is flatly wrong.

42 JWatts January 18, 2016 at 2:21 pm

I think that was Jan’s attempt at sarcasm. Jan obviously doesn’t feel that the US is full of wonderful people.

43 Jan January 18, 2016 at 2:36 pm

Well, I’m torn because I hate America but I love that the Communists are currently hold the presidency, soon to be referred to as the premiership.

44 Jan January 18, 2016 at 3:20 pm

Technically islamocommufascist, but whatever. Don’t you think it’s ironic that we have to look to Obama for our communism b/c Russia now only supplies Putinists (kak tiny)?

45 Jan January 18, 2016 at 3:22 pm

Xotel skazat’ “kak tiy”.

46 JK Brown January 18, 2016 at 2:15 pm

“We [classical] liberals do not assert that God or Nature meant all men to be free, because we are not instructed in the designs of God and of Nature, and we avoid, on principle, drawing God and Nature into a dispute over mundane questions. What we maintain is only that a system based on freedom for all workers warrants the greatest productivity of human labor and is therefore in the interest of all the inhabitants of the earth.”

Mises, Ludwig von (2010-12-10). Liberalism (p. 22). Ludwig von Mises Institute. Kindle Edition.

I’ve just watched “The Imitation Game” about Alan Turing breaking the Enigma code. Keira Knightly plays Joan Clarke, who beats Turing’s time on the crossword test but is consistently denied the right to full work with the code breakers. Turing smuggles documents out to work with her. No doubt, given the tone of the movie, the denial of such women is built up, but it did happen. We could all speak German if Turing had been a conventional fellow and followed conventions in regards to women’s work.

47 chuck martel January 18, 2016 at 2:25 pm

Mises’ wife Margit gave up her acting career after they married.

48 Larry Siegel January 18, 2016 at 4:24 pm

This kind of thing really did happen, for no good reason other than social prejudice. Even if male mathematicians believed that women in general made bad mathematicians, they could observe the exceptions and they still often behaved as shown in the movie.

49 Art Deco January 18, 2016 at 6:02 pm

I’m sure the screenwriters were sticklers for precise detail.

50 Urso January 19, 2016 at 12:22 pm

Strange how this quote begins by saying that he cannot scry the intentions of God and Nature, but concludes by confidently stating what is “in the interest of all the inhabitants of the earth.”

51 Bob January 18, 2016 at 2:25 pm

Firstly, I am sure that removing a lot of the institutional and cultural discrimination was a very moral thing to do, regardless of economic impact. And while I do not doubt there are economic gains to opening up professions to the most qualified comers, it seems that this may have more than a bit of Glazier’s Fallacy going on.

For instance, having more female professionals has helped make possible increased assortative mating. This in turn has helped drive income inequality which we are told decreases economic growth. Further, there seem to be some pretty strong economic distortions that come when you have two high earning couples needing work – an over supply of doctors in towns that can also support jobs for other high status professions (e.g. stockbrokers, lawyers, investment bankers). Competition for the scarce spots at schools and day cares, drastically increases the rents for real estate and licensure in the markets that can support power couples.

Likewise, having women in prolonged educational paths would likely increase the age of child bearing delaying and perhaps diminishing the next population cohort. It takes very small reductions in total fertility or increases in generational gaps to offset 15% improvements. Having a more efficient allocation of less human capital may well be swamped by the very small reductions (e.g. a loss of .2 children/women would prima facie offset the entire observed effect).

An the racial side of the ledger, I am curious as to how mandatory nondiscrimination played into the increased incarceration rates. For instance, the very harsh crack cocaine penalties were driven by the political will of the black middle class, something that would likely not have been pushed into law had the Dixiecrats maintained their control of congress. Likewise, I wonder if the affirmative action resentment and real relative economic loss has also pushed for more socially acceptable forms of white racial resentment – opposition to immigration, harsher sentencing, etc. and increased self-destructive white behavior – substance abuse, multi-partner fertility, poor credit management, etc.

On the balance, sure it seems quite obvious that eliminating prejudices is good in the long haul and good on net in the short term, but this methodology seems to be leaving a lot of the fairly direct implications off the table. Of course I can completely see a number of other unexamined implications that might tip the scales back the other direction again. Ultimately it just seems silly to bandy about these sorts of statistics given how massively divergent the economies and cultures under comparison are.

52 Jason Bayz January 18, 2016 at 2:36 pm

Proud to be a Goodwhite!

53 Art Deco January 18, 2016 at 3:22 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chfHv-uou3k

The heavy gets burned up in the end and her mother goes to prison.

54 jay January 18, 2016 at 4:05 pm

Giving women opportunities must slow growth. They get paid 79 cents on the dollar compared to men for DOING THE EXACT SAME JOB!

55 Dude January 18, 2016 at 6:50 pm

You forgot to mention all those compliance costs. Ya nut case.

56 anon January 18, 2016 at 9:05 pm

Someone can’t take a joke…

57 The Anti-Gnostic January 18, 2016 at 5:06 pm

When Trump is President, he will change the holiday to Hajj-Malik El Shabazz Day and re-name all those streets, alhamdul’ Allah.

58 Pensans January 18, 2016 at 5:30 pm

What is the economic cost of ceasing to be a nation?

59 Cooper January 19, 2016 at 6:19 pm

Allowing black children to use the same schools as white children is “ceasing to be a nation”?

60 Pensans January 19, 2016 at 10:43 pm

Great description of the demographic transformation and social chaos forced on the U.S. under the cover of civil rights! It was all letting blacks have their rights! Unicorns and rainbows! Education has just gotten better and better and we owe it all to St. MLK.

61 TheAJ January 18, 2016 at 6:21 pm

I really thought that maybe even the usual MR racists would be able to go one day without disparaging blacks (and other minorities), and maybe even say something nice about blacks (or at the very least, something nice about MLK and then appropriating him as a conservative) but it seems that I was too optimistic.

62 Dude January 18, 2016 at 6:40 pm

I’m not sure why they stop where they do. Clearly we’d all be better off if women were back in the kitchen instead of out working as doctors, attorneys, and whatnot. I’m sure our GDP would be higher without all those compliance costs. jeebus.

63 Judah Benjamin Hur January 19, 2016 at 12:36 am

Look at the bright side, today is Confederate Heroes Day in Texas. http://publicholidays.us/tx/ I’m sure we can all get behind that for a day.

64 Pensans January 19, 2016 at 7:30 am

That’s funny we anticipated the anti-white destroyers would call us racists. Of course, that just means they opened their mouths.

65 TheAJ January 19, 2016 at 9:28 am

I want to meet you in real life

66 Nathan W January 19, 2016 at 11:07 am

“anti-white” is one of the easiest ways to pinpoint someone as a white supremacist.

The Nazis lost.

67 Jimbo Jones January 19, 2016 at 1:30 pm

What term do you suggest one use to describe a person who is anti-white?

68 msgkings January 19, 2016 at 2:14 pm

Imaginary

69 TheAJ January 19, 2016 at 8:39 pm

What suggested that I am either a) anti white or b) a destroyer of whites?

He should have just stuck with libtard.

70 Pensans January 19, 2016 at 2:48 pm

Ok, oikophobe. Caucasian death rates are uniquely rising under this pro-white black-led government. Are we allowed to consider the causes of so many non-hispanic caucasian dead? Or is that racist?

AJ is that a threat?

71 TheAJ January 19, 2016 at 8:44 pm

Lol, settle down there son.

I’m genuinely curious what it would be like to hang out with you in real life. Are you as obnoxious as you are on the interwebs? If you see a black person walking by do you smile or do you calling him a n—– under your breath? Do you make normal conversation at the dinner table / social events or do you talk about oikophobes?

The thing is, I’ve never met a racist in real life. So I also wonder if people like you are nice people in real life, internalizing the hatred and then let it out at night home alone.

72 The Anti-Gnostic January 19, 2016 at 8:50 am

Serial philanderer and a mediocre intellect who actually enabled more segregation and narrow provincialism.

Malcolm X was a far more interesting public figure. As is Muhammad Ali Haj.

73 Art Deco January 19, 2016 at 9:57 am

No, Malcolm X was a more peculiar figure and Ali a more theatrical figure. That’s only interesting to a certain subset. There was nothing ‘mediocre’ about King’s intellect unless your understanding of a non-mediocre intellect excludes about 97% of the population. He almost certainly compared favorably to two of the three Presidents with whom he was familiar, though not to their vice presidents.

74 Pensans January 19, 2016 at 9:44 pm

It’s funny that you wonder what I’m like, oikophobe. I don’t what about what an indoctrinated anti-white is like at home. “Mom, I thought I heard a racist under my bed. Will you protect me from the racists? I hear they kick dogs and call people bad names! Why are all the mean Republicans and business owners such racists? Why can’t all white people realize how racist they are and that their lives don’t matter! Mom, why did I have to have a white father? Couldnt’t you have let yourslf be raped by a nice brown immigrant like they do in Germany?”

75 TheAJ January 20, 2016 at 9:42 am

See? This is pure gold! . I need more of this in my real life. I’m serious, if you’re on the east coast we should meet up at a Starbucks or something and shoot the shit. I promise I’ll leave my black union thug friends back home.

76 a Fred January 20, 2016 at 3:17 pm
77 Pensans January 21, 2016 at 9:22 pm

Your only black friends are union thugs? You have a really limited perspective on life. Mine are all professionals who are more sceptical of immigration and leftists SJWs than I am.

78 Art Deco January 19, 2016 at 10:01 am

It would be pleasing if the people who fancy themselves the tribunes of the black population could actually read and reliably interpret what was said to them. You and ‘the Original D’ are 0 for 2 as we speak.

79 TheAJ January 19, 2016 at 8:47 pm

Well since I never declared myself a tribune of the black population (what I made was an observation of the posting history of the usual racist suspects), and there was also no comment made in my direction to interpret, I can only conclude that the comprehension issues are coming from your side.

80 Rex January 18, 2016 at 9:57 pm

Considering we are a nation of immigrants and have at various times discriminated against practically every under represented minority, that 1/5 figure is not realistic (completely way too low).

Start in the 18th century, when we started running off the Tory Loyalists.

While it’s nice to honor Dr. King, wish this day would just be called Civil Rights Day.

81 S January 19, 2016 at 6:31 am

“Klenow builds up a model with some of these assumptions: “Each person possesses general ability (common to
all occupations) and ability specific to each occupation (and independent across occupations). All groups (men, women, blacks, whites) have the same distribution of abilities….”

82 Art Deco January 19, 2016 at 9:58 am

If his antecedent assumption is that all ascribed groups have the same distribution at a given point in time, it’s all rot.

83 The Anti-Gnostic January 19, 2016 at 9:32 am

Are you really surprised that the US white (shrinking) majority is beginning to adopt the identity politics of other ethnic groups? It’s liberalism’s world; now you get to live in it.

84 Gochujang January 19, 2016 at 9:36 am

It is perverse that the ruling majority justifies themselves with “powerlessness.”

85 The Anti-Gnostic January 19, 2016 at 9:45 am

Rest assured that non-Occidental ruling majorities do not trouble themselves over whether they have a mandate to run their countries. Whites are told they haven’t earned anything outside of privilege and they must pay for their sins with redistributive justice. How long do you think we can draw checks on the guilt account? You push identity politics, now you get to live with the consequences.

86 Gochujang January 19, 2016 at 9:48 am

I laugh out loud, but that also has to be the saddest thing possible on a MLK thread. “Sure we lynched your grandmother, but now we fear for our safety .. and that’s on you!”

87 Gochujang January 19, 2016 at 10:04 am

Bad choices, Tyler. “anti-white destroyers” stays, but linking it to why we have Affirmative Action goes.

88 Bert January 19, 2016 at 12:27 pm

Considering MLK was a communist diehard who would have gladly cheered on the Soviets as they enslaved every white person in America, I’m quite happy he died like a dog.

89 msgkings January 19, 2016 at 2:16 pm

You gun down your dogs in the primes of their lives?

90 Bert January 19, 2016 at 11:53 pm

That’s cute, that thing you do where you pretend to be an autistic nerd.

91 msgkings January 20, 2016 at 1:50 am

Microaggression!

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