by Tyler Cowen
on March 2, 2016 at 2:26 pm
1. Economists working in tech companies.
2. A visual look at two million chess games.
3. The middle part of America is more religious than the South.
4. The Matt Grossmann and David A. Hopkins paper on ideological Republicans and group interest Democrats (pdf). And here is an overview of its reception.
Three is an extraordinarily under-discussed point, generally, but I’m not sure how direct a link there is from that to Cruz winning Oklahoma.
from the twit: “Fascinating about why Cruz does well in places like Oklahoma but not Alabama.”
Church attendance is a combined metric of religiosity and conscientiousness. Yes, going to church every week means you believe in God. But it also means that wake up early an not hung over every Sunday morning. Needless to say this is an easier goalpost for the quiet, hard-working Germanic folk of the plain states than the wild Scotch-Irish Appalachian hillbillies and Tidewater rednecks. If you look at metrics loaded on beliefs rather than behavior, like percent believing the Bible’s the literal word of God, the Southeast is still clearly the religious heart of the US.
The South East has low levels of alcohol consumption. So no, to hung over to go to Church on Sunday, is not a correct observation.
Yep, judging by the GSS’s “Drink” (ever drink?) question, teetotalers are most common in the South (although there’s a split in the question on drunkenness “Drunk”, but still not a South with higher levels of drunkeness than the Midwest). For Whites as well as Blacks.
There’s a tendency for the more accomplished, if religious, to attend church more.
At the same time, the groups with the (narrowly) highest church attendance in the US are African American and Mexican Americans (true both within their regions of biggest concentration and considered against population as a whole). Not groups people would associate with accomplishment necessarily.
Going to church isn’t mostly about being religious, necessarily, or conscientiousness, either. More probably about there just being a convention of going to church frequently, and socializing there.
Although the wildness of the Southern Whites seems pretty exaggerated anyway. On the US General Social Survey, take out the self identified Mexican and American Indian folk among the White Americans, and they compare quite favorably to Midwestern Whites on most metrics (education, income, vocabulary test, occupational prestige). I suspect if you looked at violent crime results controlling for ethnicity and for whether the subject reports Amerind or Mexican background, then you’d find the South quite comparable to the Midwest.
One note about the American South is that it is the most Protestant region of the US. It’s a good deal less Catholic than the
Midwest. That explains some difference in Biblical literalism but not all of it, and there are still differences in “certainty of God’s existence” questions (even given Catholicism, which is simultaneously both fervent and open to doubt).
I would imagine that, within African-Americans, accomplishment is positively correllated with church attendance. (assuming, as always, that my own personal anecdotal observations hold true across all times and all places.)
Hey, if you’re still reading this comment thread and are interested, just to explain a bit more it’s a bit more complicated than a strong positive correlation between church attendance and intelligence.
Looking at church attendance and intelligence (via Wordsum) or Education, you don’t find that frequent attendees are too much more intelligent than non attendees, as separate classes:
The separation is really weak in terms of education / intelligence (as a proxy for accomplishment – I could have used SEI I guess).
What you do find is that the very intelligent and education who *also* happen to believe in God with higher certainty have very high attendance rates:
But since overall there are relatively few highly intelligent individuals, because highly intelligent individuals who are atheist / agnostic attend less than low intelligence atheist / agnostics, and there is a mild negative correlation between certainty of belief in god and intelligence / education, this doesn’t translate into any large overall educational advantage for regulars churchgoers.
This is for Whites, the statistical numbers are smaller on Blacks so hard to replicate (some of the smaller Belief+Education intersection classes become too small to give a reliable statistic) – http://i.imgur.com/g2oZePY.png
Doug – just a random comment: in any given city, there is a lot of really impressive and fun music being played Sunday mornings at various churches. I would not be surprised if a solid 3 or 4 percent of the churchgoers in many of the churches were there only for the relatively inexpensive musical experience (as for me, I have a personal relationship with Jesus, I do not so much “believe” in God as “remember” God and “feel thankfulness to” God, but that being said, I would never in a thousand years attend a church based solely on the quality of the music).
As a resident of Oklahoma, I’m surprised this is news; mega-churches as far as the eye can see.
I’m guessing that’s because the middle of the country is whiter than the Southeast. It would be interesting to see if attendance for whites is different between the middle states and the southeast.
Interesting fact, highlighted by Charles Murray, Rod Dreher, et al: religious observance has declined steeply for working class whites– not so much for the working class in other racial groups. If you regularly go to church and are white chances are you are either A) elderly or B) solidly middle class or above.
#4: in other words, Republicans as people of principle, and Democrats as looters and extortionists. Why on earth didn’t they just say so?
Or alternatively, Democrats as pragmatic problem-solvers, Republicans as unthinking ideologues.
I guess you could take the authors at face value without imposing your own belief system over their work, but that’s just soooooo much effort.
Problem: my communications could cause problems in my quest for the presidency.
Solution: set up an insecure server in someone’s bathroom for State Department communications.
Re #4: The dichotomy is far overstated. For the Ds, take their generally strong commitment to Keynesian economics and solar power. Are those not ideological? Does anybody really think John Doe Democrat is motivated by hope of getting some of the subsidies to solar power, and not by faith that boosting deficit-spending to subsidize solar will make the world better? For the Rs, take the sorting to them of white blue collar and growing commitment to end immigration. Is that not an interest group seeking a specific policy?
Yes, I agree with you and disagree with the thesis of the paper. There are plenty of ideological, partisan Democrats and there are plenty of special interest, partisan Republicans.
So is the idea to get as many students as possible, at a very young age, addicted to Ritalin and Adderall, and then test their social-emotional learning skills?
The Great Plains are far more depressing than the South these days.
tech companies need Techonomists as much as they need staff astrologers
no specific bottom line results cited for these Techonomist because there are none
academic economists seeking honest employment are laudable but that new teconomist career field has always been known as plain old market analysis, with no need for a PhD or even a college degree in many cases
Hmm, strikes me that a PhD would be helpful to implement and design something like this: http://www.sanjogmisra.com/mkt_salesforce.pdf
or this: http://www.sanjogmisra.com/NairMisraHornbuckleMishraAcharya_MGM.pdf
or this: http://www.nuff.ox.ac.uk/users/klemperer/biggestpaper.pdf
Quotation from the last paper: “Ideas that seem obvious to a trained economist are often quite new to layfolk. Our marginal product in preventing mistakes can be surprisingly large.”
I understand its fun to hate on economics, but that does not mean it is without value. Black and white thinking is correctly viewed as a cognitive distortion in clinical psych.
My take was that they’re working as statisticians and data modellers who come with a background in economics principles, not as astrologers.
The political scientist has two ‘n’ ‘s in his name! I should know!
2. Black wins or draws almost 2/3 of the time. This is persuasive evidence that Black has a non-losing strategy.
Doesn’t White win or draw 2/3 of the time as well? The draws are the shared 1/3?
Uh, well. Yeah. 🙂
Whoosh! That one went right over my head. Too dry! 🙂
I’m reminded of the Dilbert cartoon in which PHB notices 40% of sick days are on Mondays or Fridays, thus obviously just a ploy to get a three-day weekend.
(If I could link to it, I would.)
Nice, but the chess graph was too distracting with the pop-up balloon captions. They should be made transparent and smaller, so you can click through them.
#4…In 1996, I strongly supported Bob Dole. In 2000, I strongly supported McCain, but did not vote for Bush. By 2008, I could not vote for McCain and voted for President Obama. Similarly, although I once liked Romney, by 2012 I couldn’t even consider him. I became a Democrat in 2006, largely to see if a libertarian Democrat would be accepted by Democrats ( This was in response to a Cato Institute forum on the libertarian Democrat ). My answer is sort of. I heartily dislike Ideologues in politics, since I consider politics the art of the possible and compromise.
So, I basically agree with the description of the differences between the parties put forward in the paper. However, unlike Brad DeLong, I am a fan of Goldwater and Nixon, and do not see them as being in any way responsible for the current GOP. Nor do I blame Reagan for this current GOP. Nixon and Reagan were pragmatists, and, had he become President, I believe Goldwater would have been as well. I date the current GOP as beginning with the George W. Bush administration, which I consider a disaster. The current GOP reminds me of the John Birch Society which was very active where I grew up. However, I can’t remember any Republican I knew back then saying anything positive about the JBS.
I have a more positive take about the future, though, because I have read a fair number of GOP members who are not accepting what is currently being served up by the GOP. But then, I read Pat Buchanan comparing Trump with Barry Goldwater, and my head almost exploded.
Terrifying Republican Undesirable Malevolent Politician !
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I am reading Martin Wolf at the FT and Robert Kagan at the Washtingon Post on the rise of Trump. They have a similar feeling to your remembrances. Yours is not the only head exploding.
You made my day by associating me with Martin Wolf and Robert Kagan. I wish I was as accomplished as they are.
The current GOP reminds me of the John Birch Society –
Well, at least your departure lowered the aggregate disorientation level among Republicans.
I would date the hijacking of the Republican party to the Reagan Administration — the rise of the Christian Coalition and operators like Ralph Reed. That brought a large number of stupid, crazy, and exploitable people into the party, which made it a majority party (at times) but there was a price to be paid.
I left the party after the religious right (with the help of the Democrats — specifically Gray Davis) made Simon the Republican candidate for California governor. He lost to Davis, who spent most of his campaign money in the Republican primary. Had Davis not made that move, the Republican nominee would have been Los Angeles mayor Riordan, and he would have won. He would have been a good governor.
Instead, we got the evil, incompetent Davis, the only California governor ever to be removed from office by a recall vote. And he was followed by Schwarzenegger. Schwarzenegger was not bad as California governors go, but I would rather have had Riordan. I left the party because I was disgusted with the way religious extremists assisted by money from the opposition could hijack the primary. The Republican party is addicted to the heroin of religious extremists, and that’s not the party for me.
I’ve got a lot of reservations about Trump, but he might get me to come back. He isn’t a religious nutcase. He’s a secular nutcase, and that’s the best I can hope for.
I would date the hijacking of the Republican party to the Reagan Administration –
Get back to us when you’ve learned the meaning of the term ‘hijacking’.
Trump is a pivot away from both free market zealots and Christians. He’s more in the mold of the secular identity politics coalitions that rule Europe: http://wapo.st/1T8rvVF
3. I always thought of the bible belt as being the South, plus the plains and mountain states, Utah and part of Colorado excepted, but according to Wikipedia it just means the South. I bet you’d find a different story if you account for race in the church attendance data.
3. Ah, but it’s the diversity of Christian belief that defines Christianity. That was the case in the first two centuries CE and that is the case today; and the South is much more sectarian than other places. If you’ve never been asked if you are going to heaven, you cannot understand Christianity in the South. In the South, the Apostle Paul is more responsible for saving Gentile Sinners than that Jew Jesus.
Actually, rayward, all you need to do to understand Jesus is to spend a few moments – maybe even a single moment – listening to what the person who created you wants you to do with your life. It has nothing to do with Southerners or with the much maligned but very humble and unselfish long-ago Jewish rhetoritician named Saul or with diverse people who talk too much and not all that well about their religious philosophy or even with ordinary people who keep their distance but talk about Heaven, bless their little hearts. It is just you and God. You can choose to look for him or choose not to. If you care about other people your choice is obvious.
#1 – no mention of Yanis Varoufakis, former Greek finance minister, who was chief economist at gaming tech company Steam.
PS–it’s already Wed PM (your time, mine in the Philippines is Thursday AM) and TC has no Super Tuesday link, why?
Mid-west= German/scandinavian Ned Flanders Christians.
South- Scotch-Irish -Serious about the tradition but not always the specifics. Occasionally hung over on Sundays.
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