In praise of Chelsea Clinton and Devi Sridhar

by on February 8, 2017 at 1:43 pm in Books, Economics, Medicine, Political Science, Uncategorized | Permalink

They have a new book out, namely Governing Global Health: Who Runs the World and Why?  It is to the point, clear, uses economic reasoning very well, and serves up the information you actually want to learn.  It is a look at some major public health organizations, specifically the Global Fund to Fight AIDS, TB and Malaria, the Gavi Alliance, the WHO, and the World Bank, and how they operate, from a public choice point of view.  It’s hard to think of many books I’ve looked at over the last year or two that so well understand the notion that readers want a “landscape” of sorts painted for them.  So if you have an interest in public health issues, or in either or both of the two authors, I can gladly recommend this to you.

Here is an earlier Chelsea Clinton memo on Haiti.

1 WC Varones February 8, 2017 at 1:48 pm

Whatever happened to her $600k/year journalism career with NBC?

2 Tenhofaca February 8, 2017 at 1:52 pm

Remember, she took a vow of poverty, quit the job and left to work among the poor.

3 JWatts February 8, 2017 at 5:11 pm

I think she considered the $600K right out of college journalism gig a vow of poverty. And clearly she was working among the poor. Geez, most of her age peers working at NBC were likely subsisting on $100k or possibly less. Who can afford to live on that?

4 The Other Jim February 8, 2017 at 1:52 pm

After Chelsea’s Mom lost the incredibly historic 2016 US Presidential Election, most people lost all interest in giving vast fortunes to the Clinton family and their “charitable foundation.”

5 The real Donaldo Tramp February 8, 2017 at 2:06 pm

All that money from Kazakh government, for nothing … Sad!

6 Alvin February 8, 2017 at 2:38 pm

They have money?

7 prior_test2 February 8, 2017 at 2:53 pm

Well, who knows? But they do have this – ‘According to some estimates,[93] Kazakhstan has the second largest uranium, chromium, lead, and zinc reserves, the third largest manganese reserves, the fifth largest copper reserves, and ranks in the top ten for coal, iron, and gold. It is also an exporter of diamonds. Perhaps most significant for economic development, Kazakhstan also currently has the 11th largest proven reserves of both petroleum and natural gas.[94]

In total, there are 160 deposits with over 2.7 billion tonnes (2.7 billion long tons) of petroleum. Oil explorations have shown that the deposits on the Caspian shore are only a small part of a much larger deposit. It is said that 3.5 billion tonnes (3.4 billion long tons) of oil and 2.5 billion cubic metres (88 billion cubic feet) of gas could be found in that area. Overall the estimate of Kazakhstan’s oil deposits is 6.1 billion tonnes (6.0 billion long tons).’ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazakhstan#Natural_resources

One can be fairly confident that our new Secretary of State will be much more skilled at the pay to play game than someone with no experience running a global energy company is.

8 Doug February 8, 2017 at 2:20 pm

Her husband’s hedge fund also just had to shut down. Hillary loses, the Clinton Foundation closes its door, then this. What a bunch of timing coincidences!

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-02-08/clinton-son-in-law-s-hedge-fund-eaglevale-partners-said-to-close

9 Anonne February 8, 2017 at 3:26 pm

The Clinton Foundation has not closed, just the Clinton Global Initiative.

10 Art Deco February 8, 2017 at 4:55 pm

IIRc, the hedge fund did something like what Jon Corzine did at MF Global, made bad bets on European debt issues bought at a discount. I seem to recall it closed down a while ago.

11 Ray Lopez February 8, 2017 at 7:30 pm

Note the common threads in the Chelsea Clinton relationships nexus and see if you can find a common theme. You must be able to do this quickly and accurately if you want to be a near-expert (me) or master (TC) chess player. I’m serious. These kind of skills come very handy when analyzing a complex chess position, where you must keep in mind several themes and think of how the board will look five to seven moves ahead (or even longer in the endgame, and even longer if you want to be a grandmaster):

Chelsea Clinton references Paul Farmer in her memo. Paul Farmer is the subject of a book “Mountains Beyond Mountains” by Tracey Kidder (yes, that one, the author of Ghost in the Machine, and gives credit to these famous authors of non-fiction: “He has cited as his writing influences John McPhee, A. J. Liebling, and George Orwell”). Note those authors. Paul Farmer is currently the “Kolokotrones University Professor at Harvard University”. Kolokotrones is a famous Greek surname, as this man was the founder of the modern Greek state in the same way George Washington was for the USA. Harvard’s website informs us: “Paul is the first incumbent of the Kolokotrones University Professorship, which was established through a gift from Wendy and Theo Kolokotrones, MBA ’70. “. I happened to know that Theo Kolokotrones is a hedge fund manager (I think he’s in California now), and he’s written a number of scholarly journals as has Rex Sinquefield, in finance (I don’t think they have co-authored anything together however). Rex Sinquefield is a billionaire right-wing Republican, who made his fortune with Dimensional Fund Advisors LP (DFA), living in the Midwest who is an uber-patron in the American chess scene for the last 15 years or so. The Koch brothers are also in the Midwest, libertarians but right-wing leaning, possibly they know Rex socially. Chelsea Clinton’s husband is a hedge fund manager. DO YOU SEE WHAT I SEE??? Wow. This is so blazingly amazing obvious, I’m not going to spell it out. If you cannot connect the dots, you are hopeless reader, just hopeless.

12 Peter Lund February 12, 2017 at 1:29 pm

Tracy Kidder, “The Soul of a New Machine”.

13 Bob from Ohio February 8, 2017 at 2:54 pm

“She interviewed the Geico gecko, asking the little creature, “Now gecko, do people recognize you on the street?” And, “Is there a downside to all this fame?”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2014/06/13/what-did-nbc-newss-chelsea-clinton-do-for-her-600000-salary/?utm_term=.d061ce6f29e7

Jenna Bush got hired too and actually succeeded.

14 prior_test2 February 8, 2017 at 3:40 pm

Not to mention highlighting her father’s speech concerning Muslims – https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/02/01/not-the-america-i-know-george-w-bushs-daughter-wants-you-to-remember-his-speech-on-islam/

But then, Jenna Bush Hager is WEAK on immigration, BETRAYING the SAFETY of Americans by bringing up old discredited ideas from the man that brought us the failed war on terrorism. Not to mention another war Trump thought was a good idea before he thought it was a bad idea

Especially since Bush didn’t even take Iraq’s oil – LOSER.

15 Art Deco February 8, 2017 at 4:57 pm

Better visuals and stage presence. I suspect being a TV presenter (and especially being a talk show host) is one of those trades a good deal more difficult than it looks (or sounds).

16 The Anti-Gnostic February 8, 2017 at 1:54 pm

Have any of those large, wealthy organizations ever got around to building potable water and sewage facilities for Haiti? That would probably cut three-quarters of the disease load right there.

Haiti’s like a reverse-Potemkin Village maintained by people who make a living off its perpetual state of crisis.

17 Thiago Ribeiro February 8, 2017 at 2:19 pm

Really? I never thought it was so easy. I just remembered American populists claim the USA spend too much money on aid with nothing to show for it. I guess with Trump at the White House, we will finally see how one rebuids a country or two…

18 Art Deco February 8, 2017 at 4:43 pm

Have any of those large, wealthy organizations ever got around to building potable water and sewage facilities for Haiti?

If they haven’t the technical know-how and funds to maintain the systems, you’d be building a white elephant. A better question is what can you engineer which improves matters given who is on site to fix whatever it is you build.

19 JWatts February 8, 2017 at 5:17 pm

“If they haven’t the technical know-how and funds to maintain the systems, you’d be building a white elephant. ”

Sadly correct. On the other hand, the amounts the US has given in the last few years, could probably have built it and paid to man it for the next 30 years.

20 albatross February 9, 2017 at 9:13 am

Water and sewer plants aren’t beyond the abilities of ordinary people to maintain. But they require institutions that will see to their maintenance instead of their decay or looting.

21 chuck martel February 8, 2017 at 9:41 pm

Evidently, there are no Haitians capable of learning how to operate water supply or sewage systems.

22 carlospln February 8, 2017 at 10:55 pm

+ 1

23 BK February 8, 2017 at 1:58 pm

Clinton’s PhD at Oxford was focused on global health governance (http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Latest-News-Wires/2014/0510/Chelsea-Clinton-gets-PhD-from-Oxford-For-what) so this makes sense. Looking forward to reading it.

24 nesbitt February 8, 2017 at 2:40 pm

…. Her PhD is in “International Relations”, not “Global Health”
Her degree emphasis was on ‘Global Governance’

Her Oxford PhD program was unusual and it appears she got special treatment; she did her degree work mostly from New York

I doubt she made any serious contributions to the book referenced here

25 JShots February 8, 2017 at 3:04 pm

“Clinton’s dissertation examines international global governance structures with a focus on global health. At the foundation, she has worked closely with the Alliance for a Healthier Generation and the Clinton Health Matters Initiative.”

Straight from the link provided by BK. Confused about what you’re confused about nesbitt…

26 Amigo February 8, 2017 at 3:32 pm

nesbitt was not confused. Just had axe to grind. That’s the primary utility of this comment section it seems.

27 So Much For Subtlety February 8, 2017 at 5:52 pm

I think what nesbitt is trying to say is that International Relations is the Department that supervised her. Global governance is the sub-field of the Department of International Relations involved – that is, the study of the politics of international institutions. Specifically, the area of her topic was global health or more accurately, the way that international institutions work together on a global stage to create policies concerning public health.

Her degree was not in public health or anything like it. Usually that would involve, you know, doctors. International Relations is for people who are basically eunuchs in the field of government – people who have no power or influence but sit around talking about it a lot. So it does look like she got someone to help her publish her thesis.

Just in passing, when Chelsea flunked out of whatever New York college was hosting her, and she had to go to Oxford instead, her parents set up the Clinton Global Health Initiative. The most expensive help with a child’s homework ever? Very nice of her parents to hire so many experts in the field she was studying just at the right time, wasn’t it?

28 Daniel Weber February 8, 2017 at 3:26 pm

Chelsea has two smart and hardworking parents. She probably didn’t dick around in college.

I get that we think her family is corrupt, and with some good reason, but we don’t know she’s actually done anything bad herself. In fact, she expressed ethical concerns about how the Clinton Foundation was operating. There’s no need to tar her, yet.

29 Paul Johnson February 8, 2017 at 3:54 pm

That’s very true. She’s done OK.

30 Art Deco February 8, 2017 at 4:45 pm

She’s somewhat dilletantish, wandering in and out of a new career every 3 or 4 years. She hasn’t committed any indictable crimes yet.

31 4ChanMan February 8, 2017 at 4:59 pm

Well, you are somewhat cuckish

32 Art Deco February 8, 2017 at 5:00 pm

🙁

33 Sam the Sham February 8, 2017 at 4:14 pm

Agreed. I think she’s actually done pretty well given the dysfunction and attention she’s grown up in.

34 middyfeek February 9, 2017 at 8:04 am

I suspect their putative intelligence is wildly overrated. Hardworking? Left to their own devices the two of them couldn’t run a hot dog stand because neither of them would ever get off their dead asses and actually cook the hot dogs.

Trump’s campaign proves that he is hardworking (whether you like him or not). By comparison H. Clinton looks like the silly dillettante that she is.

35 randomacademic February 8, 2017 at 6:26 pm

IR is a field over there, global governance is a term the Europeans love, and it can mean tons of things. But public health stuff is not at all atypical for non-security IR stuff.

Not being resident is not atypical for a UK PhD. It’s traditionally zero coursework, really just the dissertation research and writing, which even in the US often happens elsewhere. Obviously enough for a project involving field work, but even the write-up stage is often conducted elsewhere, with the occasional in-person meetings with one’s committee.

36 CD February 9, 2017 at 12:55 am

Yup. That’s how a lot of European Ph.D.s work – no courses, just research under the guidance of a mentor. That’s why, if you get a U.S. Ph.D., it’s worth paying the fee to get a formal M.A. after you pass comps, because it makes your CV more legible to potential foreign employers.

37 anon February 8, 2017 at 2:05 pm

The troll army convinced themselves, and far too many others, that the only reason to have a global aid foundation was to line one’s pockets.

(just now the only “reviews” on Amazon were troll army blasts)

38 Turkey Vulture February 8, 2017 at 2:30 pm

Why have your own global aid foundation rather than simply directing donations to pre-existing global aid foundations? It creates administrative bloat, and the obvious appearance of corruption when donations are given to a foundation while one of the namesakes of the foundation still has access to significant governmental power (and the prospect of even greater future power).

39 anon February 8, 2017 at 2:41 pm

Why not? If you are passionate, and dedicated to learning, doing a good job? Willing to work hard enough to write this book that Tyler likes?

And “duck you” on “appearance of corruption.”

Troll army games.

40 Turkey Vulture February 8, 2017 at 2:52 pm

I’m not too worried about Chelsea. Your original comment is far more expansive than Chelsea, obviously.

There is obviously an appearance of corruption in what happened with the Clinton Foundation and Hillary Clinton. It appeared shady to many beyond this “troll army” you idiotically believe yourself to be standing bravely against. Including independents, and including Democrats. If Clinton had been wise enough to avoid this entire appearance of corruption in the first place, perhaps she would be President instead of Trump? You should fault her bad judgment for leading to the Trump administration.

41 anon February 8, 2017 at 2:58 pm

Here is a truth bomb:

We have the worst President in the history of the United States. One reason we do is that the Clinton Foundation was successfully swift boated.

Many on this page participated in that swift boating. Many continue now. Or at least try to mount a trailing defense.

Sadly, that is easy to see through. It is a denial of responsibility.

42 Bob from Ohio February 8, 2017 at 3:03 pm

“swift boated”

definition: Unpleasant but true facts about democratic candidates that their minions hate because the facts were true but harmful

43 Turkey Vulture February 8, 2017 at 3:16 pm

In your telling, the Clintons were only interested in doing good.

They could have done good by soliciting monies for pre-existing global aid foundations. They could have done just as much good – or more, with the lack of additional administrative expenses.

They were also interested in future political power – particularly for Hillary. They, having any bit of perception, could foresee that the Clinton Foundation’s fundraising activities would appear corrupt to more than just the right-wing conspiracy types, and have at least some negative effect on her electoral chances.

Yet despite that, and despite the fact that they could have done just as much good through pre-existing channels, they went ahead with it. This suggests either (1) it didn’t just appear corrupt but was corrupt, and they judged the political risks of continuing it to be less than the gains from the corruption, or (2) if the goal was purely to do good, Hillary Clinton has abysmal judgment.

44 Daniel Weber February 8, 2017 at 3:33 pm

Maybe if people saw that the Clintons’ defenders were willing to do something besides circle the wagons and constantly attack anyone who ever questioned Her, people would have had less concern about handing a giant pile of power to her.

But go on with your bad self. Blame everybody else. It worked so well in 2016!

45 anon February 8, 2017 at 3:37 pm

Bob, you missed the news. Kerry met the guys he fought that day. They confirm.

The rest, WTF are you even saying? My fault that you made up, believed, or repeated lies?

Sorry, it really is on the liars. The Clinton Foundation was good. It was not a scam for personal profit.

46 mavery February 8, 2017 at 3:41 pm

There’s a difference between “only wanted to do good” and “were a net positive”.

It’s possible to think that people gave tons of money to the Clinton foundation as part of an effort to buy influence and prestige and that the Clinton Foundation was mostly run as a good-faith effort to do good in the world and on net did.

Hillary and Bill were garden-variety corrupt in the way people expect powerful Washington insiders to be. There was nothing exceptional about them except for the height of their political success and their longevity.

47 anon February 8, 2017 at 3:46 pm

I think it is obvious that without an assumption of guilt, none of these charges make sense.

Maybe some of you are true believers, and you will keep that cruel assumption forever.

But for those of us waiting for actual proof of actual wrongdoing, it looks like one vast conspiracy of lies.

Swift boated.

48 Turkey Vulture February 8, 2017 at 3:47 pm

“The Clinton Foundation was good. It was not a scam for personal profit.”

Glad we could get your final decision on the issue.

Could it have been a scam for political profit – say as a way to pay loyalists high salaries outside of a campaign environment and outside of campaign finance laws?

49 mavery February 8, 2017 at 4:46 pm

Could it have been BOTH?!? :-O

Just caveat “good” with mostly” or “on net” and I think you’re closer to the truth than your position.

50 Turkey Vulture February 8, 2017 at 5:23 pm

mavery,
Your “on net” view seems to rest on assuming a zero cost for corruption. I think even “garden-variety” corruption is a significant cost for a polity. There are plenty of other routes to providing aid.

51 Post-Truth Politics February 8, 2017 at 7:20 pm

Anon, almost everyone here believes that the Clinton Foundation is a corrupt pay to play organization. After all, Fox and Breitbart and Drudge and Alex Jones said so. People believe those fake news sources. That is why we have a Putin puppet for a president today.

52 So Much For Subtlety February 8, 2017 at 7:46 pm

Everyone believes the Clinton Foundation is a corrupt pay-for-play organization because everyone can see it is a corrupt pay-for-play organization.

Including people in the Clinton camp. For instance the e-mail link showed the King of Morocco paying for what he wanted. Hulma even used the phrase “pay-for-play” to describe it I believe.

I just love how the Clintons continue to corrupt everything they touch. They turn America into some post-Soviet kleptocracy and the Left just endorses their Turkmenbashi no matter what she does. You will never recover from this.

53 Itsallrigged February 9, 2017 at 3:59 am

How important is this perception of conflict of interest?

54 anon February 9, 2017 at 9:04 am

As you may remember, I am big on dogs that don’t bark.

In this case, no one discussing the evils of the Clinton Foundation brought evil. No one.

They just repeated their belief. Suspicion Bias.

Utilmately all false witness.

55 Lurker February 9, 2017 at 10:06 am

It’s only bad when the other team does it.

I imagine if I were sitting on a billion dollar Fund To Cure What Ails Ya, people would answer my phone calls. And if I don’t get elected to high office, I still have that influence to peddle, however much a billion or so buys.

56 anon February 9, 2017 at 10:13 am

I wonder if it is a little different, if it is just people treating “a different good” as evil.

Mike Pence might provide a parallel. I am sure he tries to do good, by his lights, but people who don’t view the world on the same religious axis can be quite hard on him. They can regard his “good” as their “evil.” Just as some consider “the progressive agenda,” even if it is heartfelt as a good, as evil.

We should separate the two things, genuine evil from someone else’s idea of good.

57 Bob from Ohio February 8, 2017 at 3:00 pm

“only reason to have a global aid foundation was to line one’s pockets”

Of course not, it also served as a place to stash campaign aids and pay them big salaries

“Longtime Clinton advisor Bruce Lindsey became the CEO in 2004.[12][13] Later, Lindsey moved from being CEO to being chair, largely for health reasons.[12] Other Clinton hands who played an important early role included Doug Band[14] and Ira Magaziner. Additional Clinton associates who have had senior positions at the foundation include John Podesta and Laura Graham.” wikipedia

58 Turkey Vulture February 8, 2017 at 3:18 pm

“Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is listed as the supervisor certifying her top aide Huma Abedin’s designation as a “special government employee” — a classification that allowed Abedin to work for an outside consulting firm and the Clinton Foundation at the same time she was advising Clinton at State.”

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/09/clinton-abedin-state-job-approved-214038

59 anon February 8, 2017 at 3:39 pm

Oh no, maybe from her standpoint she was doing good, two ways.

60 Turkey Vulture February 8, 2017 at 3:52 pm

Huh? By keeping a minion well-employed?

61 anon February 8, 2017 at 3:54 pm

Minions do evil. Like you are doing now.

62 Turkey Vulture February 8, 2017 at 4:14 pm

Seems like your form of Clinton loyalty did what you believe to be evil. Without it, she wouldn’t have been the Democratic candidate, and Trump wouldn’t be President.

63 anon February 8, 2017 at 4:21 pm

Do you have evidence of wrongdoing, or are you just bearing false witness?

It is not actually as cute as you think, to fault someone for minding the Commandments.

64 Turkey Vulture February 8, 2017 at 5:13 pm

What do you mean, “evidence of wrongdoing?”

Is your standard, “so long as not technically illegal, all’s well”? Or, like with the emails “so long as not worthy of an indictment, all’s well”?

I think behavior can be wrong and corrupt even if technically legal. You do too, when it applies to anyone else (say, Trump).

65 msgkings February 8, 2017 at 6:34 pm

@TV: Do you think the same of Trump’s behavior? Plenty of ethically wrong and/or corrupt stuff even if some of it is legal.

66 Turkey Vulture February 8, 2017 at 6:49 pm

msgkings,
Yes, seems like it, though I continue to try to avoid the news.

As I’ve said before, I think Trump has a much less loyal partisan following than any President in recent history, and than Clinton would have had, so we are far more likely to see action taken as a result of his technically-legal-but-corrupt activity than we would in a Clinton Presidency, where a broader and deeper group of loyalists would excuse everything.

Because of this comparative lack of loyalty, the Trump Era presents a great opportunity to curtail many negatives that are successively defended by partisans on both sides because Their Guy is in power.

67 msgkings February 8, 2017 at 7:17 pm

@TV: Agreed, one of the silver linings of this craziness. You seem to avoid Clinton news less than Trump news though. 🙂

68 Anon LWNJ February 9, 2017 at 2:44 am

You bring up the Ten Commandments, a white supremacist set of laws from a white supremacist religion. You are obviously a racist, a white nationalist, and a Nazi. You should be punched every time you exit at your front door for being such a Nazi.

69 anon February 9, 2017 at 9:06 am

As a note, your slander on this branch of the thread was against Huma Abedin.

Did she actually do evil in the world? Or was she just hardworking, while doing what she believed good?

70 dearieme February 8, 2017 at 3:43 pm

“the only reason to have a global aid foundation was to line one’s pockets”: no, not necessarily. However the only reason for the Clintons to have a global aid foundation was to line their pockets.

71 Post-Truth Politics February 8, 2017 at 7:23 pm

At least according to Breitbart, Drudge, Fox, Alex Jones, and other fake news, huh?

72 dearieme February 8, 2017 at 7:27 pm

They’re gangsters. Pocket-lining is what they do.

73 anon February 9, 2017 at 9:08 am

Based on your first hand experience? Or is this, as Post says, just repeating false witness?

74 Thiago Ribeiro February 8, 2017 at 2:17 pm

But has Chelsea Clinton ever written a cat book?

75 too hot for MR February 8, 2017 at 2:32 pm

Splendid! Next comes the Senate run.

76 Alex Hillis February 8, 2017 at 2:37 pm

Tyler, I noticed that there are unhelpful 1 star reviews of no substance on Amazon already. If you recommend the book, it may help non MR readers if you added your own review.

77 aMichael February 8, 2017 at 4:09 pm

After reading the three existing reviews, I’m now wondering why Tyler didn’t pick up on the pro-eugenics angle in the book like one commenter did. Maybe there’s a Straussian reading of the book that Tyler didn’t pick up on. Sad!

Government picked players, redefining the rules and making up the scoreboard

ByE Farahon February 6, 2017

Expands upon the vision of government sponsored eugenics programs. The idea is to remove the ‘problem’ of negative consumer feedback, while also recieving market direciton under the control of select corporations picked, partnered, sponpsored, funded, and supported by the state. The ‘analysis’ is like looking at only one side of the coin without a scale for size as far as providing the full scoop of things.

78 Daniel Weber February 8, 2017 at 4:42 pm

Tyler also skipped the part about Chelsea releasing bioweapons. What a shill!

79 Post-Truth Politics February 8, 2017 at 7:25 pm

Maybe there’s a way that Alex Jones read the book where he developed another one of his ridiculous conspiracy theories, supposedly based thing he imagined the book was obliquely referring to in some kind of code. Tyler should know that too. Tyler, keep up, will you?

80 CD February 9, 2017 at 1:01 am

Both her parents are known Lizard People, so no surprise.

81 Bob from Ohio February 8, 2017 at 2:50 pm

Not necessary to suck up the the family Professor anymore.

82 msgkings February 8, 2017 at 2:55 pm

Maybe then that shows genuine favor by Tyler?

83 dearieme February 8, 2017 at 3:45 pm

It would be pretty silly to be frank about that pair of gangsters while their supporters are still hoping to stage a coup.

84 Post-Truth Politics February 8, 2017 at 7:26 pm

LOL, funny conspiracy theory there. Did it come from the Alex Jones show? Or Breitbart?

85 dearieme February 8, 2017 at 3:42 pm

“the Gavi Alliance”: I like a glass of Gavi as much as the next man, but I’ve never thought of it in terms of Global Health.

86 4ChanMan February 8, 2017 at 4:08 pm

You mean the next Cuck

87 dearieme February 8, 2017 at 4:12 pm

🙁

88 coketown February 8, 2017 at 3:47 pm

Thanks for the recommendation. I’m no fan of the Clintons, but this is quite Chelsea’s milieu, and it seems she’d be more adept than almost anyone to survey and explain the topic to a general audience. This coupled with Sridhar’s academic credentials seems like it’d make for an excellent book. (Just curious–would you have known about this book or read it if Clinton were not a co-author?)

That memo though… its assessment of Haitian culture and governance seems entirely at odds with what I’ve heard from the people I know doing charity and relief work in Haiti (priests, pastors, fellow church-members, hospital lab techs, charity board members). It seems unduly optimistic and, well, reads as what it is: a memo from someone who spent four days attending high-level administrative meetings. The view on the ground seems quite different, and it’s often deficiencies in government and culture that confound relief efforts. And God, it was written so humbly I almost suspect she filed her own FOIA request.

89 mulp February 9, 2017 at 2:29 am

I thought the private sector charities do not need government to solve all problems….

That’s what conservatives and libertarians keep preaching.

But clearly conservatives and libertarians hate black people because they never go in and solve the problems in Haiti which are close to them, nor go to Africa and solve all the problems there. With governments so dysfunctional they might as well not exist, those are the perfect places to prove the private sector can do everything without government.

And Africa is the place to prove free market health care is superior to developed nation health care, and especially better than the US health care status quo.

In Africa there is
No FDA
No AMA
No Medicare
No Medicaid
No Obamacare
No tax favored employer provided health benefits covering 80% of the population regulated by ERISA and IRS
No VA
No NIH

So, in Africa, the free market should be providing far better health care than in the US with cancer cures and advanced antibiotics with zero drug resistance etc.

90 Lanigram February 8, 2017 at 6:27 pm

What a crock!!

The Clinton carpetbaggers used the misery in Haiti to redirect donations intended to help Haitians to other NGOs and political and familial cronies. Sad, and sick – the very definition of psychopathy. The Haitians hate the Clintons.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/15/us/politics/hillary-clinton-haiti.html?_r=0

91 Post-Truth Politics February 8, 2017 at 7:37 pm

Yes, the NYT gave HRC more negative coverage than positive coverage during the election too. Plenty of Right Wing columnists, and also Bernie supporters who bashed her unmercifully then and now, with zero evidence that she actually did anything wrong.

I hope everyone is thrilled with Trump as president. Because when Dems are unmercifully bashed for rumors and innuendo and “the appearance of corruption”, while Republicans are praised even while they do and say horrendously corrupt illegal things– whatever fool gets the GOP nomination is always going to be the one to win the general election.

Propaganda works. And we are totally immersed in Right Wing political and economic propaganda.

92 Lurker February 9, 2017 at 10:15 am

You heard it here first, folks! The New York Times is an unmerciful spewer of right wing propaganda!

93 AJ February 8, 2017 at 7:04 pm

This seems straight out of the Barack Obama playbook to become president but with a harder policy edge rather than the softer feels. I suppose it would have been a bit too obvious to write “Dreams from my Mother” and “Hope of Audacity”.

94 msgkings February 8, 2017 at 7:22 pm

Will anyone really want to vote for a Clinton (or a Bush) ever again?

95 JWatts February 8, 2017 at 7:31 pm

Yes.

96 msgkings February 8, 2017 at 8:54 pm

OK, badly worded question. Will enough people want to vote for a Clinton (or Bush) that they can viably compete for the presidency?

97 Post-Truth Politics February 8, 2017 at 7:33 pm

Not ever a Clinton again. The Right Wing propaganda we are immersed in will continue to see to that. But if a Bush does ever get the GOP nomination again, Right Wing media will certainly support him, as they always support Republicans. That’s why the GOP now controls all 3 branches of the federal government, most state legislatures, and most governorships. Propaganda works.

98 msgkings February 8, 2017 at 8:52 pm

Why can’t the Left Wing do the same to the Reps?

99 Politics of Cruelty February 8, 2017 at 9:22 pm

Because there is no liberal media. See coverage of HRC during the election campaign by even supposedly liberal media.

https://twitter.com/peterdaou/status/822625220020305920

Right Wing propagandists have infiltrated even the NYT and the WA Post. These publications bend over rightwards to include “both sides”– which means that they include numerous lies, told by many Right Wing columnists. And NYT, WA Post etc. are constantly pressured by Right Wing people, who keep accusing them of bias, to bend over even further rightwards, and to indulge in False Equivalence. And they do.

We have Far Right Wing media. But we have no actual Left Wing media– just media that keeps getting accused of Left Wing bias, and so bending further and further to the Right over time.

This wouldn’t be so bad if we had any actual Left Wing media. But we don’t– at least not any with a large audience. So Right Wing lies go pretty much unchallenged.

Progressives need to start a big huge expensive non-profit progressive media empire that researches how to attract and communicate with various target groups, including the current audiences of Fox News, Breitbart etc. Not some little shoestring budget operation like Air America. Something stable and well financed.

100 Politics of Cruelty February 8, 2017 at 9:24 pm

Msgkings, the Left Wing could do the same but we don’t. Left Wing folks think that all you have to do is throw the truth out there any old way and people will believe it, because it’s true. It doesn’t work that way in the real world though. To compete with lies, you have to effectively market the truth to people, as well as marketing progressive ideas and values to them. But this is never done, because people don’t think it’s necessary.

Maybe DT will finally convince Left of Center people that it’s necessary.

101 Daniel Weber February 9, 2017 at 10:48 am

Mark Bennett’s rules of crazy:

1. If you don’t have to deal with a crazy person, don’t.

2. You can’t outsmart crazy. You also can’t fix crazy.

3. When you get in a contest of wills with a crazy person, you’ve already lost.

4. The crazy person doesn’t have as much to lose as you.

5. Your desired outcome is to get away from the crazy person.

6. You have no idea what the crazy person’s desired outcome is.

7. The crazy person sees anything you have done as justification for what she’s about to do.

8. Anything nice you do for the crazy person, she will use as ammunition later.

9. The crazy person sees any outcome as vindication.

10. When you start caring what the crazy person thinks, you’re joining her in her craziness.

102 Politics of Cruelty February 8, 2017 at 7:41 pm

Amazing that even now that DT is president, people still can’t stop bashing the Clintons. It’s a compulsion or addiction. Perhaps it is because Trump’s followers don’t really like him. Why would anyone like a pathological liar who is an ignoramus about how government works and who bungles everything he does. So no one lkes him. They just hate Hillary, as decades of bashing by Right Wing pundits and columnists taught them to. Propaganda works.

I wonder if, after four years of Trump, in the unlikely event that he fails to get impeached, if people will still be bashing Hillary, as they have been programmed to for decades. Why not? Propaganda works.

103 Politics of Cruelty February 8, 2017 at 7:43 pm

If Trump starts constructing large gas ovens in multiple locations, and rounding up Muslims and carting them off to camps, will people here ignore that, and instead still focus on complaining about how corrupt HRC is, despite the lack of evidence for that?

104 TMC February 8, 2017 at 8:28 pm

I bet you hope it happens. So you finally don’t look like an idiot.

105 msgkings February 8, 2017 at 9:39 pm

Pretty sure So Much For Subtlety would support this action, saying something about how Hillary Clinton would have done the same thing because all Democrats revere Pol Pot and Stalin. And we’d all have a good laugh and turn on the Muslim Killing Channel.

106 So Much For Subtlety February 9, 2017 at 3:47 am

Dare to dream dude! Basically you are driven to be this vicious because you know I am right. And of course because you are projecting.

Mass murder is a monopoly of the Left and has been for a long time. But it is the love that dare not speak its name. So you project.

107 msgkings February 9, 2017 at 11:49 am

This response is even more delicious than I’d hoped. Please continue.

108 Politics of Cruelty February 9, 2017 at 1:21 pm

Lovely thing about Right Wingers. They project all over the place while accusing the Left of projection.

” all Democrats revere Pol Pot and Stalin.” “Mass murder is a monopoly of the Left”

It’s not from the current members of the Democratic party in the U.S. that So Much For Subtlety is getting these ideas from. A certain someone is acting in many ways like a fascist right now, but he is not a Democrat.

109 Politics of Cruelty February 8, 2017 at 9:19 pm

TMC, what school of mind reading did you attend, that you think you can read my mind? Of course I do not hope it happens. But you prove my point. You successfully found a way to see me as The Evil Libtard. Congratulations.

Trump has already said he could shoot someone on 5th Avenue without losing any supporters. And he was likely correct. So if he did construct ovens, he might not lose any supporters.

110 too hot for MR February 8, 2017 at 9:49 pm
111 Politics of Cruelty February 8, 2017 at 11:18 pm

Yet another person trying to make a liberal look ridiculous and trying to make light of our concerns. Another day, another liberal basher on MR. No surprise there.

If anyone ever treats a liberal with respect here, now that is the surprise and unusual thing.

Trump is doing some of the things that Naziis did, although he does not seem to be one– yet. But it is not an unreasonable fear, given some of the things he has done. This article describes that. But it is not from Breitbart or Drudge or Alex Jones or your takimag above, whatever that is. So I am sure you will not read it. No one hear wants to read any publications unless that publication constantly bashes liberals unmercifully. That’s your idea of “objective.”

The End of Facts in the Trump Era
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/taibbi-the-end-of-facts-in-the-trump-era-w465615

112 too hot for MR February 9, 2017 at 1:48 am

If it makes you feel better, I read it. I enjoyed Taibbi back when GWB was the target. But I don’t get how you think he’s any different from Breitbart or Drudge. He’s the exact same thing, but he happens to espouse views that you personally enjoy.

113 Enrique February 9, 2017 at 1:31 am

Global health? Is Tyler trolling his loyal followers now?

114 Boonton February 9, 2017 at 7:01 am

So in the universe where Hillary is President is she using the office to demand Barnes & Noble put her daughter’s book on display in very store, is she bashing any and all critical reviews? perhaps emailing world leaders demanding they buy extra copies of the book to give away to their families as gifts?

115 Daniel Weber February 9, 2017 at 10:50 am

“Trump sucks even worse” may be completely true, but it’s a failed message, especially after the contest is over. Do something useful.

116 msgkings February 9, 2017 at 11:51 am

Pointing out hypocrisy is useful. Or rather, it used to be, back when people cared.

117 Boonton February 9, 2017 at 1:50 pm

Something useful, what about another Benghazi investigation!

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