Wednesday assorted links

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1 Apso April 5, 2017 at 11:36 am

Self refuting! 🙂

2 E. Harding April 5, 2017 at 2:44 pm

Not enough of you have taken my quiz, so I’m reposting it. It’s a quiz on political and economic knowledge, designed by me to demonstrate the failures of bias:
https://goo.gl/forms/fYI0YDq4gskyuue92
Take it, guys! I need at least 40 responses; I only have 31!

3 Gawker April 5, 2017 at 3:42 pm

7 out of 21, an ignoramus!

4 E. Harding April 5, 2017 at 3:59 pm

Five more responses to go! Looks like the mean is just below 8 points (out of 21), with a nice bell curve starting to form.

5 E. Harding April 5, 2017 at 4:31 pm

Three more!

6 Anonymous April 5, 2017 at 11:47 am

You had to be cracking yourself up as you titled #6.

7 prior_test2 April 5, 2017 at 12:07 pm

Or anticipating pushing several commenter’s buttons when it comes to gender.

Wait, I forgot, Prof. Cowen only occasionally reads the comments. So occasionally that he still hasn’t discovered that using ‘ensure’ in place of ‘insure’ makes him look fairly incompetent when presenting information concerning the ‘ensurance’ industry. No complacency there, it seems
.

8 Moo cow April 5, 2017 at 12:32 pm

Gender? It’s a different Jender.

9 Ray Lopez April 5, 2017 at 11:52 am

I will read each of these stories in one minute or less and summarize them.

#1 – rents are falling in SF, NYC, DC due to increased construction. Real estate is cyclical; this too will pass.

#2 – top 50 books on Quora. Keep in mind these lists are biased by nerds and freaks. For example, the “Top 100 books of all time” according to internet polls include Ayn Rand and L. Ron Hubbard Scientology books in the top ten.

#3 – Coastal states and Texas (surprising! must be the law there) use seat belts over 85% of the time, the Midwest does not (not enforced in Nebraska apparently)

#4 – Caplan summarizes himself: “The rationality community is one of the brightest lights in the modern intellectual firmament. Its fundamentals – applied Bayesianism and hyper-awareness of psychological bias – provide the one true, objective vantage point. It’s not “just another kind of religion”; it’s a self-conscious effort to root out the epistemic corruption that religion exemplifies (though hardly monopolizes). ” – gag me with a spoon! The ancient Greeks also fell into this trap: love of the rational which fails to the irrational, in the same way Gaussian statistics fail to fat tails. Read the famous tract (that I’ve not yet read) “Jerusalem and Athens” by Leo Strauss (yes, this sentence is Straussian).

#5 – Exotic food tastes better on the road due to exotic locations fooling your brain into novelty. BTW, testosterone also plays a role (the young have more and things are more pleasant when you have T). The sex link: another study that shows women are from Venus, men are from Mars.

#6 – “Pepsi has married these generic concepts with a new advertisement out Tuesday featuring Kendall Jenner and Skip Marley’s “Lions.” The ad contains images of protesters. People standing up for things. What are those things? Is Kendall proclaiming #BlackLivesMatter? Is this the Resistance? Unclear! But drink Pepsi!” – that’s it. PS–does anybody know the status of the Mexican Coke vs Pepsi wars in the countryside? Just for my database.

I worked hard summarizing these links in one minute or less, so if you enjoyed them and wish for me to continue you can post here. Thanks. Thanks Apso.

10 Moo cow April 5, 2017 at 12:41 pm

You’re a good-natured sort.

11 Jeff R April 5, 2017 at 12:48 pm

1B: Meanwhile, the New Deal and World War II shoved monetary and fiscal policy in a more Keynesian direction, promoting robust public investment by government. That kept the supply of jobs plentiful, wages high, unions strong, and labor markets tight.

Great. We just need a New New Deal and WWIII and we’ll have the economy Jeff Spross wants us all to have. Glad to hear it’s so simple.

12 JWatts April 5, 2017 at 3:54 pm

“Mexican Coke vs Pepsi wars in the countryside”

Mexican Coke is far superior to Pepsi. But I suspect the higher cost keeps it from being a contender.

13 WC Varones April 5, 2017 at 11:54 am

1. GFC-delayed Millenials finally moving to the burbs to buy houses and start families.

14 ChrisA April 5, 2017 at 12:45 pm

A years data does not make a trend.

15 ricardo April 6, 2017 at 11:04 am
16 rayward April 5, 2017 at 11:58 am

3. People in the red states favor “freedom”, and that includes freedom from the restraints of seat belts. It reminds me of the “freedom” from having to wear a helmet while riding a motor cycle: the requirement was eliminated in Florida as part of the “freedom” agenda of the rising Republican majority. As for single-payer, it’s an element of the alt-right’s and the Trump administration’s appeal to ordinary working Americans for the economic nationalism agenda. Of course, the Trump administration won’t actually deliver single-payer anymore than the Trump administration will deliver tax cuts for working Americans, manufacturing jobs for working Americans, and “infrastructure” for working Americans. It’s all farce. What they will deliver is “freedom” from Obamacare. People will believe anything.

17 The Other Jim April 5, 2017 at 12:08 pm

>People will believe anything.

No kidding. Look how many people believed Susan Rice when she said she “knew nothing” about Trump&Co being wiretapped for a year.

Now of course they believe her when she says “Well sure they were wiretapped for a year, but it wasn’t political or anything.”

18 A Crook April 5, 2017 at 12:15 pm

I hate it when law enforcement does their job!

19 Milo Minderbinder April 5, 2017 at 3:12 pm

The National Security Advisor is not a law-enforcement position.

20 Dick the Butcher April 5, 2017 at 5:55 pm

You meant to type, “I hate it when the gestapo does their job!”

Hitler and Stalin also did stuff like that, and made for it your excuse.

21 Anonymous April 6, 2017 at 4:45 pm

Coincidence or coordination?

https://thinkprogress.org/amp/p/1900e6fde054

22 Moo cow April 5, 2017 at 12:40 pm

“Our decade-long investigation into organized crime and money laundering initiating from offices in the Trump Tower is picking up Trump campaign workers.”

“Oh. Shut it down, I guess. He says he’s gonna make America great again.”

23 Dick the Butcher April 5, 2017 at 5:58 pm

If you verbalized that, it would be slander. You wrote it, ergo it’s libel. That’s all you have.

24 Troll Me April 6, 2017 at 12:12 am

Trump sexually harassed numerous women. He also engaged in fraud against people who were struggling hard to get a chance and spent tens of thousands on a bogus uni program.

Trump also indicated an interested to make it easier for politicians to sue newspaper. Which would reduce the number of people discussing his molestations and fraudulent behaviour.

Not to mention the racism.

But anyways, you’re the one throwing around words that constitute an attack on fundamental liberties. Rule number 1 as it were.

I dare say, it is a crime in many states to “conspire” to “deprive of rights”. Are you trying to deprive someone of their enjoyment of rights for no good reason?

25 rayward April 5, 2017 at 12:28 pm

Allowing Russians to undermine American elections is part of the “freedom” agenda.

26 The Anti-Gnostic April 5, 2017 at 1:28 pm

How did the Russians undermine American elections? Be specific.

27 prior_test2 April 5, 2017 at 1:56 pm

Well, we don’t want to unmask anyone by attaching their names to communication intercepts, right? At least that seems to be the current Trump Administration party line.

28 The Centrist April 5, 2017 at 2:32 pm

Aren’t you the Wikipedia guy?

Why don’t you post something about the fact that it was standard legal practice to redact names picked up in the trawling? You know that what’s good for the goose is good for the gander. We all suffer, some actually and some potentially, when privacy laws are ignored.

29 Dain April 5, 2017 at 2:14 pm

FINALLY y’all come around to the Birch position. It only took five decades.

30 Dick the Butcher April 5, 2017 at 5:59 pm

That is 100% bullshit. It’s the same bullshit Hitler and Stalin used.

31 XVO April 5, 2017 at 12:30 pm

What’s interesting about #3b isn’t the content, but that vox is giving such an honest and fair assessment of the alt-right. Hardly any condescension and popularizing alt-right figures and media. Really something is going on, the alt-right is influencing the mainstream.

32 Anonymous April 5, 2017 at 12:47 pm

Vox: Please alt-right, don’t throw us in the single payer briar patch!

33 Hazel Meade April 5, 2017 at 1:55 pm

They noticed that national socialists are socialists?

34 prior_test2 April 5, 2017 at 1:57 pm

Not to mention murderous genocidal fanatics.

35 Hazel Meade April 5, 2017 at 2:21 pm

Well they seem to be enthusiastically ignoring that bit in this piece.

36 Humperdinck April 6, 2017 at 11:58 am

It’s the thought that counts

37 Dain April 5, 2017 at 2:14 pm

If you want to make progressives give up on single-payer, make it known the alt-right supports it.

38 msgkings April 5, 2017 at 2:22 pm

And vice versa?

39 Hazel Meade April 5, 2017 at 2:22 pm

Please let this be true.

40 Daniel Weber April 5, 2017 at 3:02 pm

Early South Park did a whole episode about this, with the local KKK chapter proclaiming opposition for things it supported so that people would vote them into law.

41 Jeff R April 5, 2017 at 12:53 pm

3b: does this mean the left and the alt-right will collaborate on healthcare reform?

42 The Anti-Gnostic April 5, 2017 at 1:50 pm

Right now the Left is too occupied with trying to keep its coalition of groups who actually don’t like each other very much united against Da Man.

43 Hazel Meade April 5, 2017 at 1:53 pm

As for single-payer, it’s an element of the alt-right’s and the Trump administration’s appeal to ordinary working Americans for the economic nationalism agenda.

How is this any different from “a chicken in every pot”? Socialism has ALWAYS been about offering benefits to “ordinary working people”. They just used to call it the proletariat. They’re basically offering old-school 1930s New Deal socialism wrapped up in an American flag. With a lot of extra rhetoric about the evils of Muslims and Mexicans.

44 Gerber Baby April 5, 2017 at 4:19 pm

New Deal socialism was wrapped in an American flag.

The traditional socialist position was that working people were entitled to benefits as it was the product of their labor, expropriated by the capitalist class through the unfair capitalist structure, and justly redistributed back to the workers. Thus, if the socialist government of state A wanted to give to the people of state B, it was an act of generosity. The modern Leftist position, in contrast, is that wealth just rains down from heaven, it isn’t created, and thus everyone has equal entitlement to it, if some countries have more than others, that is due to some unfair “privilege.” Thus, providing benefits only to people of country A is “welfare chauvinism,” the people of country B should be able to immigrate and receive the exact same benefits, or be given them indirectly in the form of foreign aid.

45 Troll Me April 5, 2017 at 11:43 pm

Social benefits in countries that receive foreign aid are not remotely generous compared to wealthy countries. Most especially, there are no benefits for able-bodied people unless as a means to ensure their kids are getting food, education and access to health care. (E.g., cash transfers to mothers, conditional on regular health checkups and regular attendance at school.)

Also, it can involve as much effort to build analytical capacity so that programs can evolve efficiently, or at least in a context of good information and analysis being available prior to the political process.

Exceptions mainly relate to military aid. Which is not the sort of aid you’re talking about. For example, Israel, Egypt, Pakistan. So that’s a different story.

46 Slocum April 5, 2017 at 3:17 pm

” People in the red states favor “freedom”, and that includes freedom from the restraints of seat belts. It reminds me of the “freedom” from having to wear a helmet while riding a motor cycle: the requirement was eliminated in Florida as part of the “freedom” agenda of the rising Republican majority.”

Presumably, you support mandatory helmets while riding a motorcycle? What about when riding a bike? Skiing? Jogging? Horseback riding? Playing basketball? Cheer-leading (lots of falls and concussions). Taking a shower (bathrooms are notorious for slip-and-fall accidents)? Would you put ‘freedom’ in sneer quotes if anybody opposed mandatory helmets in any of these cases?

47 JWatts April 5, 2017 at 4:03 pm

“3. People in the red states favor “freedom”, and that includes freedom from the restraints of seat belts. ”

The map doesn’t show this being a red state / blue state issue. Massachusetts is worse than Texas.

48 Thiago Ribeiro April 5, 2017 at 11:59 am

#4 By “extraordinary” I just mean ‘far beyond ordinary experience.’ People who take sci-fi scenarios seriously may find this category hopelessly vague, but it’s clear enough to me.”

I have no idea what it means. Nuclear bombing it is outside most peope’s oedinary experience and was outside any people’s experiences until 1945 (even 1930’s or even 1942 Fermi’s). The point is, are we as close to real AI as 1942 Fermi and Friends was to the Bomb? Who knows?

# 6 “Do you want to sell sugar water for the rest of your life, or do you want to come with me and change the world?”

49 Pshrnk April 5, 2017 at 1:41 pm

And, hey, if we are living in a simulation, then that, and AI is not “unprecedented.”

50 Thiago Ribeiro April 5, 2017 at 1:47 pm

In fact, in this case, it is pretty common.

51 The Original D April 6, 2017 at 3:12 am

Fun fact: there is only one American still alive who has personally witnessed a nuclear detonation. He worked for the government filming atomic tests. I saw him give a presentation in late 2015.

52 Anonymous April 5, 2017 at 12:00 pm

I feel like I should defend the “rationalists” even if I am not part of the “community.” Caplan seems to capture my feeling pretty exactly. People should try to use their brains. They can reject old frameworks, but they can go off the rails and get all silly about brain uploads or living in a simulation. By your “more critical” do you mean you like the silly parts?

(To be honest I didn’t follow the consequentialist/utilitarian bit. I assume he is talking about more extreme practitioners who do not set limits, or balance with any idea of personal sovereignty.)

53 Daniel Weber April 5, 2017 at 3:17 pm

Thesis: There is a constant amount of “silly stuff” a person must believe.

Question: Where should we direct that “silly stuff” to be least damaging? Debating how many angels can fit on the head of a pin sounds like a good place to target that energy.

(Comparison Question: Since people will display tribalness, where should that be channeled? Answer: Sports teams with loyalty decided by the arbitrariness of locality.)

54 Anonymous April 5, 2017 at 12:11 pm

I liked 1b. While cities do have natural advantages I think it is true that policies have helped drain rural areas of talent and innovation. I’d be fine with rural-centered remedies .. but perhaps the rub is that I’d be more in favor of new tech colleges, more wind and solar farms, more jobs programs than “the rurals” would themselves. They’re still waiting for the border wall to bring jobs .. John Frum style

55 ChrisA April 5, 2017 at 12:44 pm

Re: Caplan, there is no “true” ethical system so it cannot be rational to espouse it so strongly. So it seems fair to be critical of a community of people who call themselves rationalists who insist that you must accept
Utilitarianism to be rational. But on the sci-fi scenarios, I think Caplan is wrong to criticise AI fear, even in the case where we do manage to find some kind of protocols like the three laws of robotics there will be governments and individuals who will want AI without them.

56 Donald Pretari April 5, 2017 at 1:04 pm

3b…I agree with some of these alt-right positions, but not for nationalistic , Bismarckian reasons. Following Henry Simons and Michael Oakeshott, I believe the main problem is concentration of power by any group. A guaranteed income and single-payer plan render these parts of the economy less susceptible to over-powerful interest groups, which we have now.

57 Joe April 5, 2017 at 3:21 pm

My initial reaction is single-payer health care concentrates power in the hands of our government.

58 Donald Pretari April 5, 2017 at 3:54 pm

Joe, Here is what I am for…http://www.hoover.org/research/how-cure-health-care-0 A plan by Milton Friedman…

And here’s an interview of Milton Friedman by Robert Kuttner that explains that, in the real world, it has worked out that we have adopted the worst aspects of a governmental role and a private market role. Nostrums are fine, but the real world often doesn’t exactly match them. http://prospect.org/article/interview-milton-friedman

59 Cooper April 5, 2017 at 1:15 pm

#1, Rents don’t go up in perfectly straight line forever. There are always going to be some bumps but over the long run rents in San Francisco can be modeled quite accurately by assuming a 2.5% annual inflation adjusted increase.

https://experimental-geography.blogspot.com/2016/05/employment-construction-and-cost-of-san.html

60 Pshrnk April 5, 2017 at 1:37 pm

#4
“The second blind spot is credulous openness to what I call “sci-fi” scenarios. Claims about brain emulations, singularities, living in a simulation, hostile AI, and so on are all classic “extraordinary claims requiring extraordinary evidence.” Yes, weird, unprecedented things occasionally happen. But we should assign microscopic prior probabilities to the idea that any of these specific weird, unprecedented things will happen. Strangely, though, many people in the rationality community treat them as serious possibilities, or even likely outcomes. Why? Again, I say it’s aesthetic.”

Gee Bryan! When criticizing the rationality commending, I recommend more than hand waving about your own priors and the Ad Hominem of calling them aesthetes.

61 Pshrnk April 5, 2017 at 1:39 pm

Should have been COMMUNITY. But, I certainly believe in COMMENDING the COMMUNITY.

62 Hazel Meade April 5, 2017 at 1:49 pm

Insofar as the alt-right, and the Trump-supporting right more generally, have a coherent economic agenda, it’s a vehement rejection of the free market ideology crucial to post–World War II American conservatism. While Paul Ryan reportedly makes all his interns read Atlas Shrugged, figures like Cernovich, Spencer, and Derbyshire are trying to build an American right where race and identity are more central and laissez-faire economics is ignored or actively avoided.

Indeed. National socialists.
Can we stop pretending that the alt-right isn’t fundamentally antithetical to libertarianism?
Can we stop pretending it isn’t basically race-based socialism that they believe in?
Can we stop pretending that their philosophy doesn’t fundamentally resemble fascism in it’s basic philosophical principles?

63 Hazel Meade April 5, 2017 at 2:04 pm

So do you support single-payer then? Single-payer for your “tribe” (presumably angry white men) ?

Are you basically saying “oh well, I can’t have an ideal libertarian state, so I will settle for fascism controlled by angry white guys”?

64 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ April 5, 2017 at 2:09 pm

I think there is seriously an element of that.

On the other hand, Bannon is off the National Security Council, which is a wonderful development. An incremental win for saner heads.

65 The Anti-Gnostic April 5, 2017 at 2:11 pm

A polity of 320M people that collects over $3T in tax revenue is structurally incapable of libertarianism.

People vote with their feet for white-run countries. They’d vote with their feet for Japanese, Korean or Chinese-run countries too, but they won’t let them in.

Whether you yourself are African, Asian, or Indigenous, it is extremely important to your children’s and grandchildren’s standard of living that the US maintain an Anglo-European ethnic majority.

Also, you may have observed that any libertarian meet-up is whiter than Augusta National.

66 Hazel Meade April 5, 2017 at 2:18 pm

Yeah, once again we hear that only white people are intellectually capable of understanding libertarianism.

it’s also fascinating that Hispanics aren’t considered European, and that we must prepend it with “Anglo” in order to exclude them. Because The Finns and Polacks and Spanish and Italians aren’t intellectually capable of appreciating libertarianism either.

Why don’t you go all the way and make it “White Anglo-Saxon Protestant”, so we can exclude the Irish and the Scottish as well? Or do we want to adjust to the right and make it “Aryan” so we can let in the Swedish and Norwegians?

67 The Anti-Gnostic April 5, 2017 at 2:23 pm

You’re dodging my point.

I’m not sure why the English colonists were the only ethnic group in human history to dream up things like enumerated powers, republican rule, and inalienable rights, and then to fight a Revolution for them, but they were the only ones that did. Even the French Revolution involved markedly different premises.

68 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ April 5, 2017 at 2:24 pm

The Long, Lucrative Right-wing Grift Is Blowing Up in the World’s Face

If you want to understand intra-GOP warfare, the decision-making process of our president, the implosion of the Republican healthcare plan, and the rest of the politics of the Trump era, you don’t need to know about Russian espionage tactics, the state of the white working class, or even the beliefs of the “alt-right.” You pretty much just need to be in semi-regular contact with a white, reasonably comfortable, male retiree. We are now ruled by men who think and act very much like that ordinary man you might know, and if you want to know why they believe so many strange and terrible things, you can basically blame the fact that a large and lucrative industry is dedicated to lying to them.

I’m just glad I’m not that kind of white, reasonably comfortable, male retiree.

69 Gerber Baby April 5, 2017 at 2:30 pm

“You pretty much just need to be in semi-regular contact with a white, reasonably comfortable, male retiree”

We’ve always been run by white, reasonably comfortable, 50-something males.(If you count a certain group as white) Seems to be working a whole lot better than the other models out there, see Latin America, Africa, or Asia excluding the Pacific rim.

70 Hazel Meade April 5, 2017 at 2:52 pm

I’m not sure why the English colonists were the only ethnic group in human history to dream up things like enumerated powers, republican rule, and inalienable rights, and then to fight a Revolution for them, but they were the only ones that did.>/i>

England itself is still a constitutional monarchy, as is Canada. Doesn’t that suggest that it wasn’t *just* the English heritage that made that happen, but, for example, something about the cultural exchange with the Native Americans and others?

Many people have suggested that the philosophy of the founding fathers was, at least in part, influenced by at least two other sources:
1. Native Americans, particularly the Iroquois Confederacy – where rulers were effectively selected by consensus rather than hereditary rights.

2. Piracy – where Pirate captains were elected by their crews and had codified agreements governing the rights of individual pirates, how loot was to be distributed, rules on board the ship, and so forth. Worth noting here that pirate crews were generally multi-ethnic.

71 Hazel Meade April 5, 2017 at 2:55 pm

@Gerber Baby,
What are you talking about? Latin America is generally run by white , reasonably comfortable, 50 something males.

72 Gerber Baby April 5, 2017 at 2:57 pm

Hazel Meade,

Yes, but when those “white” Latins come to America, they are suddenly non-White and thus qualify for anti-White racial preferences. And Hazel, we’ve noticed you never complain about things like that. Your opposition to racialism is only when the race in question is White people.

73 Hazel Meade April 5, 2017 at 3:01 pm

I’m against identity politics when anyone practices it. Personally I feel it is more dangerous when the dominant social group does it than when outgroups do it, because the dominant group is more capable of actually enacting policies that favor itself and harm others.

In other words, Hispanics can go around bitching a lot about white privilege, but they can’t really do much to harm white people. White people, however, can really, really do bad things to Hispanics.

74 JWatts April 5, 2017 at 3:17 pm

“Personally I feel it is more dangerous when the dominant social group does it than when outgroups do it, because the dominant group is more capable of actually enacting policies that favor itself and harm others.”

This looks identical to the basic Progressive “logic” that rules should be different or applied in a stricter fashion to the dominant group and in a looser fashion to other groups.

75 Hazel Meade April 5, 2017 at 3:21 pm

What rules? Social norms against racism? Hell, yes.

I’m not talking about legal rules. The LAW is government by the equal protection clause. Strict equality regardless of race or ethnicity.
But social rules? Fuck yes, white people have a greater responsibility to not be racist.

Are you one of those people that goes around complaining about how “unfair” it is that only black people can use the n-word?

76 Gerber Baby April 5, 2017 at 3:34 pm

Hazel Meade,

Blacks and Hispanics have been pretty effective in cementing in their racial preferences.

*crickets*

77 Gerber Baby April 5, 2017 at 3:35 pm

“1. Native Americans, particularly the Iroquois Confederacy – where rulers were effectively selected by consensus rather than hereditary rights. ”

LOL Hazel, you can always be counted on to fall for liberal fake news.

78 Troll Me April 5, 2017 at 4:02 pm

The Romans beat us by over 2000 years: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Republic.

Perhaps there is a little more substance to it now?

79 Dain April 5, 2017 at 2:19 pm

“I want a night-watchman State. I’ve been told this is impossible, even racist.”

This sounds like an admission of defeat. You’ve let the left falsely define you into the thing you’ve now actually become.

80 The Anti-Gnostic April 5, 2017 at 2:27 pm

There is no debating with the Left. I am privileged, and therefore properly the object of redistributive justice, by virtue of my existence as a white man. Well guess what, whites can practice identity politics too.

81 Hazel Meade April 5, 2017 at 2:35 pm

You think this is racist? YOU AIN’T SEEN NOTHING YET! I’ll show you RACISM!

82 The Anti-Gnostic April 5, 2017 at 2:43 pm

Still dodging the point, Hazel.

Also, “Hispanic” is a linguistic category. Central and South America are as ethnically stratified as anywhere else.

83 albatross April 5, 2017 at 2:50 pm

This is a serious point. It’s a reasonable (and I think a correct) position that nobody should use identity politics because they’re inherently corrupting to a functional democracy. It’s not a reasonable or workable position that identity politics are good when exercised by anyone *except* white males, and a terrible evil when white males do it. That has been the de facto mainstream position for many years.

We’d be better off without identity politics–that stuff tends to lead you to vote for the crook because a least he’s *our-* crook. But if we are going to have them, it’s pretty much inevitable that everyone will want to play. Trump is far from the worst we’re likely to get from white identity politics.

84 Hazel Meade April 5, 2017 at 3:16 pm

Also, “Hispanic” is a linguistic category. Central and South America are as ethnically stratified as anywhere else.

Which makes them totally different than us? My point is that if you’re trying to claim that the culture of Latin America is so different that they can’t understand our values, what are you talking about? They speak a Romance language and they practice a major Western European religion. They are thus thoroughly part of the Western European cultural tradition. What is it about Latin American culture that supposedly makes it impossible for them to adopt libertarian ideas?

85 The Anti-Gnostic April 5, 2017 at 3:25 pm

What is it about Latin American culture that supposedly makes it impossible for them to adopt libertarian ideas?

You tell me. Latin America lurches perennially between crude bolshevism and clumsy fascism, which is why I don’t want a Latin American majority here, because then it will just be like there. Central American gangs certainly seem determined to make Northern Virginia just like back home.

86 Anonymous April 5, 2017 at 3:29 pm

Albatross, I think you make an error.

Historically the minority​ / oppressed had movements for equality. Even before they were done, they were accused of “identity” politics instead.

Some, in the majority class said “why can’t we do ‘identity’ politics too?”

Easy, show you actual oppression and you can. But a “white, reasonably comfortable, male retiree” doesn’t have a lot to show.

Just Fox clips to repeat.

87 Gerber Baby April 5, 2017 at 3:37 pm

“Some, in the majority class said “why can’t we do ‘identity’ politics too?””

Doesn’t do much to stop the (((richest ethnic group in America))) neither here nor in the country where they are in the majority. But you won’t speak against that.

88 msgkings April 5, 2017 at 3:41 pm

@Gerber Baby: speak against what? What is your problem with (((Jesus))) and (((Ivanka))) and the rest of the Jews?

89 Gerber Baby April 5, 2017 at 3:49 pm

msgkings, just saying, applying that logic consistently requires you to apply it to a certain middle Eastern country as well. But you know that, you’re just trying to change the subject.

90 The Anti-Gnostic April 5, 2017 at 3:51 pm

Some, in the majority class said “why can’t we do ‘identity’ politics too?”

Easy, show you actual oppression and you can. But a “white, reasonably comfortable, male retiree” doesn’t have a lot to show.

Showing actual oppression is not a condition of identity politics. Israeli Jews rule the roost in Israel, and proudly and unabashedly practice identity politics. The Dominicans exert a lot of effort keeping their half of Hispaniola Dominican as opposed to whatever Haitian-Dominican hybrid would otherwise result. They don’t seem to be troubled by a failure to show actual oppression in maintaining their distinctive Dominican identity.

91 msgkings April 5, 2017 at 4:04 pm

There’s nothing to speak against. Israel is obviously a country founded on identity politics. The US is supposed to be a different, better place.

92 Gerber Baby April 5, 2017 at 4:09 pm

msgkings,

His point was that identity politics was inherently illegitimate for majority groups, “America” was never mentioned. But I do love that argument, “I’m allowed to do it, you, goyim, you are to be held to a higher standard.” Somehow, the same standard is held to every country where Jews are not the majority of the population. Wonder who benefits from that.

93 msgkings April 5, 2017 at 4:13 pm

No, Gerber Baby, you are missing the point because you are incapable of seeing it. The US is supposed to aim higher, not because it’s mostly goyim, but because we are truly the greatest nation ever created on earth. We are supposed to be held to a higher standard than tribalist Jews in Israel, or Arabs in their countries, or Persians, or any other place that is primarily based on a national/racial identity. The American Way is the better way.

94 Gerber Baby April 5, 2017 at 4:49 pm

“No, Gerber Baby, you are missing the point because you are incapable of seeing it. The US is supposed to aim higher, not because it’s mostly goyim, but because we are truly the greatest nation ever created on earth. We are supposed to be held to a higher standard than tribalist Jews in Israel, or Arabs in their countries, or Persians, or any other place that is primarily based on a national/racial identity. The American Way is the better way.”

Well, that’s a different point than Anonymous was making. And if it’s something about Americans, that standard should apply to all Americans, whether White or Black, majority or minority, ect.

And about your point, I just don’t see it. When your property values are plummeting because of an influx of people who people like msgkings doesn’t want to live next to,(Revealed preference and all) #muhgreatestcountry doesn’t do much for you. Increasingly, people look around the world and really start to question whether America is the greatest country in the world or not. It seemed obvious in the 1950s, with Europe and Japan still recovering from the war. It doesn’t seem obvious now.

95 msgkings April 5, 2017 at 5:12 pm

If we’re not the greatest country on earth, name one better.

96 Hazel Meade April 5, 2017 at 5:19 pm

Latin America lurches perennially between crude bolshevism and clumsy fascism, which is why I don’t want a Latin American majority here, because then it will just be like there.

The culture doesn’t create the institutions. The institutions create the culture. People from all over the world from different system have moved to America and changed their culture within a generation or two. We have a system that’s based on significantly different legal and political institutions than Latin America, and it’s harder to change institutions than it is to change from one culture to another.

97 Gerber Baby April 5, 2017 at 2:24 pm

The American government pays more for healthcare for one slice of the American population than European countries do for all of their population. So the latter is not necessarily any more socialist than the former.

98 The Anti-Gnostic April 5, 2017 at 2:30 pm

We’ve socialized medical coverage for the poor, the elderly, and government employees. Extending it to the rest of us is just a matter of fiscal priorities.

99 Hazel Meade April 5, 2017 at 2:36 pm

Gimme my cut! I want my cut of the loot!

100 albatross April 5, 2017 at 2:53 pm

What does a reasonable free-market alternative look like in the modern US healthcare market, where nobody can tell you a price ahead of time, almost nobody is paying their own money for the services they’re receiving, and most of the spending is done by people who are far too ill to do any shooping around for bargains?

101 Gerber Baby April 5, 2017 at 2:55 pm

Why not? Why’s a universal program worse than a means-tested program?

And I noticed you ignored my point about cost.

102 Hazel Meade April 5, 2017 at 3:06 pm

An actual free market can bring down costs without sacrificing choice.
Actual free markets are almost universally more efficient at allocating resources than centrally planned systems. There is no reason to believe that an actual free market wouldn’t substantially reduce costs and improve outcomes at the same time. The market has been warped by employer-based care since the 1930s, which is why we don’t have price transparency or any meaningful price signals.
Get rid of the employer based system, and get rid of the regulations on insurance under the ACA and the market will right itself.

103 Gerber Baby April 5, 2017 at 3:31 pm

Hazel Meade,

That was the point John Derbyshire made, but he pointed out that people aren’t going to support it, so single payer was the next best thing. You may have missed it if you were reading it in order to play “pin the red flag on the alt-Right.”

The main problem with moving to either a free market or a single payer is that the insurance companies, doctors, and hospitals love the current system. No one, not Democrats, not Republicans, wants to piss them off. Observe, in comment sections, how so many of the arguments boil down to “the successful people support us, the losers support them.” And this is a good argument, for all the talk about “the politics of envy,” people love the successful, and so no politician will touch this class of people.

104 Hazel Meade April 5, 2017 at 4:26 pm

but he pointed out that people aren’t going to support it, so single payer was the next best thing

“Just accept it. Socialism is going to win. Give up already”

Says the national socialist.

105 Gerber Baby April 5, 2017 at 4:41 pm

“Just accept it. Socialism is going to win. Give up already”

That wasn’t his point. His point was “I prefer A, but people won’t support it, and so I support C as a better alternative to B.”

Do you understand that someone might see a single payer system as less socialist than the current one?

106 msgkings April 5, 2017 at 5:11 pm

“Someone” might see it that way, but they would be wrong.

107 Gerber Baby April 5, 2017 at 5:55 pm

msgkings, you can look it up, America’s healthcare system is so expensive that it costs more for the government to provide the limited coverage that America provides than it is to provide for everyone in Europe.

108 albatross April 6, 2017 at 9:52 am

Hazel:

Is there any way to try out your ideas on a small scale and see how they work, say, within a state or something? Or can you point to someplace where a free market such as you imagine is working well, somewhere in the world, that we can copy?

109 Dain April 5, 2017 at 3:59 pm

“Showing actual oppression is not a condition of identity politics. Israeli Jews rule the roost in Israel, and proudly and unabashedly practice identity politics. The Dominicans exert a lot of effort keeping their half of Hispaniola Dominican as opposed to whatever Haitian-Dominican hybrid would otherwise result. They don’t seem to be troubled by a failure to show actual oppression in maintaining their distinctive Dominican identity.”

Replying here because I can’t above. This is a good point. The idea that identity politics need be animated by a legitimate grievance is historically contingent and not, well, how it usually plays out. Power is power. Rhetoric enables it. It just so happens that victimhood is how we do it currently. See Haidt on this.

110 msgkings April 5, 2017 at 4:34 pm

Whatever the causes or current methods, I will always maintain that identity politics are inferior to the American Way. And since Superman agrees with me, I win.

111 Anonymous April 5, 2017 at 4:36 pm

It may be good, but it is rather far afield.

I think “identity politics” in the U.S. maps into one fairness claim or another.

112 Hazel Meade April 5, 2017 at 5:28 pm

For sure, white people don’t have much of anything resembling a “legitimate grievance”.
They do however, have power.

113 Chip April 5, 2017 at 9:15 pm

“For sure, white people don’t have much of anything resembling a “legitimate grievance”. They do however, have power.”

Tribalism and primitivism still carry weight, as this comment shows. The world is complex and individuals are complicated. It takes time and effort to understand our environment and the people we meet.

For many, like Hazel, this effort is too much. So they fall back on tribal instincts and impulses, organizing the world and its people into neat colour-coded blocks.

This smearing of individual identity into a negative group stereotype is exactly the kind of idiocy that eventually excuses slavery and genocide.

114 Gerber Baby April 5, 2017 at 3:17 pm

Much as you may not like it, the movements are both similar in many ways. They are both marketed to and both appeal to the same class of people, young white men. I know, partly, because I used to be libertarian and now I’m alt-Right.(in the Steve Sailer sense, not the Richard Spencer sense) Both promise freedom from feminism, affirmative action, foreign policy stupidity, the nanny state, and the bureaucratic state. Both recognize that, no, people aren’t equal, and both celebrate accomplishment rather than victimhood. The alt-Right however, recognizes the importance of inequality in the national and racial as well as individual sense. While libertarians accept individual inequality within an ethnicity or a state, it takes a liberal position with respect to differences between nations and races, that failure has nothing to do with the people or culture. While libertarians valorize the achievement of individuals(while minimizing collective achievement, like the Moon landing) they lack a framework for assuring that such individual genius will continue in further generations, libertarians have no answer if college professors are having 1.1 children and Mexican immigrants are having 3 children. If they can’t find a “free market” solution, the go-to response is to deny that it’s a problem in the first place. Libertarianism is thus a dysgenic ideology.

But race is not the only way I, at least, differ from libertarians. A night-watchman state would only be possible in an environment of both generous private charity and a strict cultural belief in meritocracy. Otherwise, you’d have a huge class of people living off of inherited wealth that grows every generation, and they’d be able to buy their way into institutions despite deficiencies in merit, and make those institutions less efficient. Libertarians recognize that the safety net has perverse effects, that, if people’s fall is comforted by the net, they will work less hard to avoid falling. But if they work harder to avoid falling, that could have negative effects as well. Without a safety net to cushion his fall, I’m more likely to hire my nephew for a job in my company rather than hire the most qualified candidate. You’d see a lot of that with a night-watchman state, as people attempt to construct private safety nets to replace the public one, but they may be even more inefficient and less fair.

115 Hazel Meade April 5, 2017 at 3:25 pm

What answer does the alt-right have to when below-average-IQ white people have 3 children and college professors have 1.1?
I mean this is a movement which revolves around the interests of below-average-IQ white people, after all.

116 Gerber Baby April 5, 2017 at 3:41 pm

“What answer does the alt-right have to when below-average-IQ white people have 3 children and college professors have 1.1?”

That’s also dysgenics. It’s not just about race.

“I mean this is a movement which revolves around the interests of below-average-IQ white people, after all.”

We noticed that no one was appealing to the WWC, and we took the opportunity. Since you’re libertarian, a movement almost exclusive to white, male, upper income people, I ask, how’s it working out for you?

117 Hazel Meade April 5, 2017 at 4:24 pm

We’re not after a system that benefits ourselves at the expense of other racial/ethnic groups. We’re after universal justice.
The world is not zero sum. It’s not all about which ethnic group dominates the other groups. We’re not chimpanzees.

118 The Anti-Gnostic April 5, 2017 at 4:49 pm

Humans are pack animals and people make countries. It’s not the Magic Dirt.

119 msgkings April 5, 2017 at 5:10 pm

If the pack believes in higher ideals, their country can be run aiming for them. You can aim high or just say we’re all animals.

120 The Anti-Gnostic April 5, 2017 at 5:31 pm

Here’s a link to Liberia’s Constitution. It’s pretty idealistic.

http://www.liberianlegal.com/constitution1986.htm

121 msgkings April 5, 2017 at 5:34 pm

I prefer the ideals in the US constitution. Why do you hate America?

122 The Anti-Gnostic April 5, 2017 at 5:43 pm

The point remains, the words on your magic piece of paper are meaningless if you’ve got a low IQ, high time preference population.

The US Constitution has become a totem for some people, like the Plains Indians’ ghost shirt. They drape it reverently over their shoulders and dance around in it, chanting “Equal protection!” and praying for the old gods to drive the bad people back into the sea.

123 Gerber Baby April 5, 2017 at 5:53 pm

Hazel, you’re after a system where, it is a big fucking coincidence, which would most benefit “successful” people like yourself.(If indeed you are successful rather than a race traitor who imagines himself to be successful because he holds the same views as that of the successful.)

The alt-Right is not about ruling other groups. We want, to the extent that it is possible, fair, and humane, for each group to have it’s own state, to pursue it’s own prosperity to the extent it is capable.

124 Aretino April 5, 2017 at 4:12 pm

“What answer does the alt-right have to when below-average-IQ white people have 3 children and college professors have 1.1?”

1. This is inevitable, since libido is inversely correlated with IQ. See http://www.gnxp.com/blog/2007/04/intercourse-and-intelligence.php.

2. Conservatism can deal with this. As Russell Kirk pointed out in his book The Conservative Mind, one plus of conservative government is that it can be run by people of modest IQ; it doesn’t require any particular degree of genius.

125 Gerber Baby April 5, 2017 at 4:28 pm

I disagree with your first point. With birth control, sex has been separated from reproduction. A lot of the lowest IQ people, of any race, don’t particularly want kids, they want to party all day. They just have trouble using modern forms of birth control. Provide a small amount of compensation to go on long term birth control and they will eagerly accept. Others have an urge to reproduce, but this often occurs, today, as single parent reproduction with the first man available who doesn’t want to be in the child’s life.(often he’s tricked into doing it) Usually, this closest man available isn’t particularly smart. We can fix that, if women are going to give birth to bastards, we can compensate them to be inseminated with sperm of the smartest men available. Do this and in a few generations your underclass disappears.

Of course, we may never have to try such a crude method if embryo selection and CRISPR modification becomes possible.

126 asdf April 5, 2017 at 4:47 pm

Below average IQ white people have replacement fertility. Above average IQ white that go to church and have conservative views also have replacement fertility.

Smart liberal whites have low TFR. They are trying to replace themselves with other peoples babies to maintain power.

127 A Definite Beta Guy April 5, 2017 at 5:33 pm

Why is it poor results are only considered heritable (whether culturally or genetically) when lower-class whites are the subject matter?

128 Hazel Meade April 6, 2017 at 11:18 am

LOL, why is it that results are only considered heritable when the assumption is that whites have superior intelligence?

129 Milo Fan April 6, 2017 at 6:51 pm

Because that’s where the evidence points to. If you want to hypothesize about alternate universes, be my guest.

130 JonF April 6, 2017 at 3:05 pm

I’m not alt right but the answer is Regression to the Mean.

131 Milo Fan April 6, 2017 at 6:48 pm

That effect is over-hyped.

132 msgkings April 5, 2017 at 4:08 pm

Not really. Libertarians wish to cut benefits to all people regardless of color or creed. They simply want as little socialization as possible. Or rather, less than is possible.

133 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ April 5, 2017 at 4:20 pm

You misunderstand. The real libertarians wanted to cut benefits to “all people.” This attracted racists who thought “all people” were mostly “brown,” and this was a great coded way to talk.

In the new alt-right they don’t have to be coded, or call themselves libertarians.

I have long suspected this was a contingent, Gerber Baby confirms.

134 Hazel Meade April 5, 2017 at 4:21 pm

No, he’s right. It’s hugely disappointing that there were so many people who were only on board because they wanted to cut welfare for brown/black people. They are just fine with welfare when white working class types are the beneficiaries.

The alt-right has effectively proven that progressives have been right about the Tea Party from the beginning. It was always essentially driven by racism.

135 Gerber Baby April 5, 2017 at 4:38 pm

It wasn’t just “racism” that attracted me to libertarianism. It was also a general belief that markets work better than government. I still believe that, however, I fear that pure libertarianism, even in an all-White context, would have too much inequality and that would have perverse effects. I support a baseline of redistribution, perhaps through a basic income, while trying to minimize state intervention in the economy in general.

136 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ April 5, 2017 at 4:53 pm

I feel like this should be carved in stone somewhere:

“It wasn’t just “racism” that attracted me to libertarianism.”

The “just” is just so innocently damning.

137 The Anti-Gnostic April 5, 2017 at 5:04 pm

If the State is so small it hardly matters who runs it, then you eliminate a lot of inter-ethnic conflict. But when you dangle the possibility of transfer payments in front of people, then you incentivize a lot of competition for victim-status and airing of grievances.

Singapore’s rulers provide a social safety net to everybody and an authoritarian government to keep things clamped down. If you want civic nationalism, and Trump, by the way, does, then that model seems more workable than American frontier capitalism with no frontier.

138 Hazel Meade April 5, 2017 at 5:23 pm

Singapore’s rulers provide a social safety net to everybody and an authoritarian government to keep things clamped down. does, then that model seems more workable than American frontier capitalism .

Yeah , so socialism + authoritarianism. How is this not fascism?

139 msgkings April 5, 2017 at 5:28 pm

@Hazel: of course it’s fascism (or rather fascism-lite), and it’s what the alt-right would like to see, a heavy-handed state run by white people, with zero immigration to prevent any further color bleed. I don’t even think this is controversial.

140 Gerber Baby April 5, 2017 at 5:46 pm

“Yeah , so socialism + authoritarianism. How is this not fascism?”

The Soviet union wasn’t socialist and authoritarian?

141 A Definite Beta Guy April 5, 2017 at 5:54 pm

Actually, I’d say libertarians, alt-right, and Rationality are all dominated by a certain kind of cerebral white men who are 1. Contrarian 2. Seduced by easy answers and silver bullets and 3. Believe convincing intellectual narratives a bit too easily.

It’s also why they cross-over in all the same spaces, because they all generally have the same interests.

The Alt-Right have by far the most nuanced understanding of history, society, and politics, which is why every alt-right person here knows exactly why the United States and Mexico are NOT part of the same Western tradition despite coming from Spain and Great Britain, which look close on a map and are both nominally “European.” Hazel, while nonetheless a smart person, thinks they are basically the same.

The reason why some libertarians move into Alt-Right territory is because the Alt-Right answer is more likely to be correct than the Libertarian answer.

For purposes of this post, Alt-Right is defined as more of a Sailer-esque or even Moldbug-esque position, and not Stormfront. Libertarian excludes moderate Republicans posing as Libertarians like Gary Johnson.

142 Hazel Meade April 5, 2017 at 6:06 pm

If it’s so obvious why Mexico and the United States are not part of the same Western European cultural tradition, then why can nobody answer my question about what specifically makes them different?

All I ever hear from alt-right types is “but Latin America is full of leftists authoritarians”. Which is an output not an input.
Secondly, the alt-right itself is ENDORSING leftist authoritarianism! I mean it’s right here in this thread! We need a social safety net plus authoritarianism!

If you’re going to give up on free-market capitalist and endorse authoritarian socialism, you can hardly complain about Hispanics and the horrible authoritarian socialism they are going to bring with them.

143 Gerber Baby April 5, 2017 at 6:56 pm

Hazel, it’s because the Mexicans descended, in part, from the cultural tradition of pre-conquest Mexico. If your point is “gotcha, you really mean skin color,” than yes, there is a definite correlation between culture and skin color. If old stock Americans had a few orders of magnitude more native American blood, they’d be darker, and have inherited a different cultural tradition.

144 The Anti-Gnostic April 5, 2017 at 4:21 pm

It’s actually kind of odd that libertarians do backflips away from ethnic consciousness because unlike citizenship, the State can’t take your ancestry from you.

145 msgkings April 5, 2017 at 4:32 pm

In the world of the racist, being principled and against racism is odd.

146 The Anti-Gnostic April 5, 2017 at 4:51 pm

Your precious principles won’t protect you from people who can out-breed, out-thug, and out-vote you.

147 msgkings April 5, 2017 at 5:08 pm

Unlike you, I’m not a scared little girl. I’ll take my chances.

148 Hazel Meade April 5, 2017 at 5:32 pm

My ancestry is the most valuable thing I possess. It doesn’t make me smarter, or stronger, or prettier, but it does give me the secret handshake needed to be part of the in-group, and that’s what counts.

Seriously, the reason working class white people are more racist, is because believing their race makes them superior gives them a reason to *feel good* about themselves, despite their lack of accomplishments in the economic arena.
This is why poor dumb people everywhere tend to be more racist. They need a reason to feel valuable, and thinking that their race makes them better provides them with that/

149 msgkings April 5, 2017 at 5:33 pm

Yes, a big part of racism is an attempt to explain your own shortcomings as the fault of the ‘other’. And it is indeed why most racists are stupid. Not all, most.

150 Hazel Meade April 5, 2017 at 5:40 pm

The smart ones have some other major insecurity.

151 Gerber Baby April 5, 2017 at 5:42 pm

The reason the working class are more “racist” is because they have to practice the “integration” that the rest of you race traitors preach.

152 msgkings April 5, 2017 at 5:44 pm

Ah, “race traitors”, there it is. LOL.

Look, you are a proud racist. We are not. I don’t think we are going to convince each other to change. So go clean your hood and your confederate belt buckle and have a nice day!

153 Hazel Meade April 5, 2017 at 6:08 pm

Lie down with dogs, get up with fleas.

154 Gerber Baby April 5, 2017 at 6:48 pm

“Look, you are a proud racist. We are not. I don’t think we are going to convince each other to change.”

No sh*t. We aren’t convincing one another, we’re convincing the lurkers who are reading this exchange and are conflicted as to who is right. Some of them will notice that you didn’t address my point about how all you “successful” race traitors preach racial integration and then run off to a neighborhood where there ain’t no diversity to be found. Don’t like being called a race traitor? Don’t endorse policies which your co-racialists.

155 msgkings April 5, 2017 at 7:12 pm

It’s hilarious you think I care that some racist calling himself Gerber Baby throws some mean pixels at my anonymous handle.

156 Jeff R April 5, 2017 at 4:53 pm

I’ll throw that a +1

157 Gerber Baby April 5, 2017 at 2:25 pm

6. I encourage you guys to watch the ad, it’s cringeworthy with it’s promotion of general virtue signalling, marching in some protest with nothing about what the protest is about, and at the end they all cheer after Kendall Jenner gives a can of coke to the cop. Much easier than actually accomplishing anything.

I wonder if this kind of virtue-signalling advertising works. I personally prefer Coke to Pepsi(Coke is sweet enough for me), but would I consider changing just because Coke of Pepsi supported my ideology? Well, there actually is one of the “off-brands” which openly supports a certain “alt-Right” website.(Though not one I ever read, and, no, I won’t tell you which it is.) That fact did motivate me to go out and buy a bottle of the stuff, even though it wasn’t any cheaper than the name brand.

158 albatross April 5, 2017 at 2:42 pm

I assume the goal of the ad was to cause a pseudo-controversy and get lots of people talking about it. Looks like it was successful.

159 msgkings April 5, 2017 at 2:50 pm

Bingo.

160 Anonymous April 5, 2017 at 3:17 pm

Someone on Twitter called it an example of old guys trying to sell Pepsi with “what is going on with you, fellow kids?”

I like that explanation better.

161 Gerber Baby April 5, 2017 at 3:20 pm

I thought of that, but that’s giving them too much credit. Most likely it’s just simple stupidity from old people who don’t understand that, for the millennials, virtue-signalling has to be at least a little subtle.

162 Roy LC April 5, 2017 at 6:23 pm

I doubt it, it felt like the 1970s all over again, a long list of vague feel good notions wrapped up in an aura of some sort of vague non specific change the world stuff. Buying the world a Coke combined with Shelly Hack era Charlie and a healthy dose of:

https://youtu.be/9Lt5ZI5Lx4E

If they had wanted controversy it would have been less mentos and more Enjoli.

163 Anon_senpai April 5, 2017 at 7:41 pm

Muslim women with hijabs bravely protesting is the meme of the hour. I swear I see more photos of them than ever before. How the Left fetishizes them!

164 Troll Me April 5, 2017 at 11:49 pm

Has anyone figured out yet what colour you can make the deserts of the Middle East glow?

Seeing the obsessions by Trumpistas relating to things statistically less dangerous than slippery bathtubs, perhaps it’s not difficult to understand why people are being proactive in stating their desire and intent to allow freedom of religion (etc.) to be something other than the freedom to think like me.

165 Anonymous April 6, 2017 at 9:16 am

Ah, but the hijab was balanced by a Levi’s denim jacket, making her a cultural neutral.

166 Viking April 5, 2017 at 2:36 pm

#1b, dark side of cities

How much of the growth differential of bigger cities versus flyover country comes from a shift where FIRE ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIRE_economy ) has gobbled up a bigger part of the economic pie due to regulatory capture, and the Erdmanian successful rent seeking through limited housing supply.

My recollection is that in broad terms, the FIRE part of the economy has grown from 1/8 to 1/4 of the total pie. The I (insurance) part would have captured a fraction of the above inflation increases in insurance costs. The pure welfare part of the government transfer programs are likely concentrated in metropolitan areas, as is much of federal spending on education, although many universities are in small and medium cities.

The F (finance) part of FIRE benefits from issuing municipal debt, and despite what Erdmann and Cole might think, GSE loans have pushed up housing prices, supporting the RE in FIRE.

How much of extra productivity of larger cities come from government spending?

I will wager Silicon Valley would gain in status, and New York would decline if these market distortions were subtracted.

167 joe April 5, 2017 at 3:38 pm

“Productivity is high when there are perpetually more jobs than workers, forcing companies to do more with less. Without that constant pressure, businesses get fat and lazy.”

This must be why we still have hand-harvested farm produce

168 Gerber Baby April 5, 2017 at 3:44 pm

That an an ever flowing river of illegal labor, privatized profits and socialized costs ftw!

But I don’t think it’s the main cause of lower productivity. Labor costs should be incentive enough.

169 Troll Me April 6, 2017 at 12:05 am

The privatized profits are taxed.

And when labour is cheaper, world competing firms might afford some worker for $90k instead of $100k because of cost of living effects of various services and manual labour being cheaper.

So, I do think that should also benefit the people who at present are not all that often grouped among the winners of this situation. But I do not see that this requires changes that would significantly increase the cost of living for those global competitors. (So, denser living in SF, etc., might make sense too.)

170 Chuck April 5, 2017 at 3:54 pm

No seriously you’re Tyler right?

171 Roy LC April 5, 2017 at 6:10 pm

I almost didn’t click that quora link, but I have fat fingers, and all I can say is that it is the first quora answer I have ever read that wasn’t complete BS. Every book on it may be, but the two answers I saw were mostly honest and probably based, other than stuff like Sun Tzu, on the writer’s actual knowledge. So clearly these can not be considered representative quora contributors.

They should be rewarded with lifetime subscriptions to Reader’s Digest.

172 byomtov April 5, 2017 at 6:14 pm

The rationality community is one of the brightest lights in the modern intellectual firmament. Its fundamentals – applied Bayesianism and hyper-awareness of psychological bias – provide the one true, objective vantage point.

Whatever you say, Bryan. You and your gang are collectively the greatest intellects ever to walk the Earth. Guess I’ll go now.

173 A B April 5, 2017 at 10:21 pm

#5 part 2: Larry Cahill’s commentary on this topic is extraordinary– one can only imagine how the world would be different if the science had not been so politicized for so long:
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jnr.23972/full

174 albatross April 7, 2017 at 4:59 pm

Random speculative comment: I wonder if Eliezer Yudkowsky is this generation’s version of Ayn Rand, and likewise with his movement. This isn’t intended to be a criticism, exactly–however much I think Rand got some stuff wrong, she also got some stuff right and introduced a lot of 18 year olds (including me) to important philosophical/moral questions and ideas in a way that made sense to me and mattered. And I think Eliezer and the rationality movement have done the same thing. Learning their conclusions isn’t nearly so valuable as beginning to realize that some of the things they’re discussing are actually things you should be thinking about.

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