Merry Christmas!

by on December 25, 2017 at 12:13 am in History, Religion | Permalink

1 shrikanthk December 25, 2017 at 12:27 am

Merry Christmas!

Question – Does the Orthodox Church recognize Christmas at all? Do Russians celebrate Christmas on Dec 25 or Jan 7?

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2 clockwork_prior December 25, 2017 at 1:29 am

All Christian churches recognize the birth of Jesus Christ, even if not all celebrate it.

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3 shrikanthk December 25, 2017 at 2:07 am

I get that. So do Russians have a separate date? Or have they come around to celebrating on Dec 25?

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4 clockwork_prior December 25, 2017 at 2:39 am

As if you are unable to use google or wikipedia. And there are multiple Orthodox churches, not just the Russian one.

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5 shrikanthk December 25, 2017 at 4:07 am

Google or wiki don’t have a personal touch and don’t capture emerging trends that may be evident from personal anecdote.

MR readers can provide that personal insight that wikipedia cannot. (like Josh below)

6 clockwork_prior December 25, 2017 at 6:19 am
7 Mark Thorson December 25, 2017 at 1:19 pm

I saw an interview of the archbishop of Constantinople on PBS, and he said all of the Orthodox churches are doctrinally the same, even though they are independent.

8 JonF December 26, 2017 at 1:50 pm

The Russian Orthodox Church uses the Old Calendar. Their December 25 is our Jan 7.
Most other Orthodox churches (the Serbian excepted) use the new calendar for fixed feasts like Christmas. Hence my church (St Andrews, OCA) celebrated the Nativity yesterday.

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9 Josh December 25, 2017 at 3:02 am

Eastern Orthodox folks celebrate on the 7th. Russians usually celebrate from New Years through the 7th of January. At least in their home country.

I know a lot of Eastern Europeans in the US and Canada, all of whom celebrate it on Dec 25.

Though my Russian mother in law who lives in Israel just told me Merry Christmas on Viber so idk, maybe things are changing on eastern front.

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10 Careless December 25, 2017 at 6:08 pm

I know American Eastern Europeans who do Christmas on the 25th and Easter on their own schedule. Doesn’t make sense, but then that’s religion

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11 Kai December 25, 2017 at 12:31 am

Brings back very good memories. Back in college 10 years ago I went on my first backpacking trip. I believe it was Christmas Eve my friend and I found our way into a voodoo temple in a mansion owned by a wealthy man who hosted the community’s celebration. A goat was sacrificed by a worshiper possessed by one of the voodoo gods (loas). Then we swirled around the maypole like object in the center of the temple.

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12 Ray Lopez December 25, 2017 at 1:29 am

The goat is the mark of the Devil in Christian theology, so it makes sense. This mural may be Haitian or inspired maybe even by the world’s earliest Orthodox church, the Ethiopian.

Bonus trivia: a good book on corporations is: The Company: A Short History of a Revolutionary Idea (Modern Library Chronicles, 2003) by John Micklethwait and Adrian Wooldridge. Micklethwait was the Economist DC bureau chief for a while.

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13 clamence December 25, 2017 at 1:39 am

I’m glad to see Ray is still around.

Bonus Comment: or are we all being replaced by doppelganger trolls?

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14 Ray Lopez December 25, 2017 at 2:39 am

This is the real Ray Lopez ™, ® and ℠ I happen to have internet today during daylight hours here in the Philippines, an early Xmas gift by our local internet service provider, quite incompetent (don’t get me started). Normally I only get faster than dial-up modem speeds after midnight. Before then it’s off or at dial-up modem speeds.

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15 clockwork_prior December 25, 2017 at 2:41 am

Turn off images, javascript, and flash in your browser, and this web site should be acceptable to view at dial up speeds too.

16 Mark Thorson December 25, 2017 at 1:33 pm

I use dialup all the time, and I don’t have any problem with MR. Dialup is fine for browsing various news sources. You just can’t watch TV on it.

17 Pensans December 25, 2017 at 3:19 am

Voodoo Christmas, how nice.

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18 Transnational Pants Machine December 25, 2017 at 9:06 pm

In certain circles, it is very important that if you EVER dare to wish anyone a Merry Christmas, you do so in the most non-white way possible.

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19 msgkings December 26, 2017 at 2:18 am

This f**kin guy LOL. I was hoping we’d get a War on Christmas post or two.

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20 Asher December 25, 2017 at 3:22 am

Apologizing for my ignorance, but I can’t make head or tails of this picture. Is it a Nativity scene? If so can someone identify the figures for me? At the very least it should have Mary and baby Jesus, but I’m just not sure where they are.

If it is not a Nativity, what does it have to do with Christmas?

Many thanks.

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21 MattW December 25, 2017 at 12:23 pm

The straussian reading on Tyler posting this picture is that america needs more mormonism. Obv

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22 Axa December 25, 2017 at 4:53 am

Merry Christmas.

It looks like medieval Christmas in Europe. It has an old-school air…

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23 Judah Benjamin Hur December 25, 2017 at 5:34 am

Merry Christmas!

I’m a middle-aged Jewish guy married to a Buddhist woman from China. Last night we left cookies and milk out for Santa to enjoy. Our young daughters insisted.

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24 Vox clamantis in deserto December 25, 2017 at 6:39 am

Remember, remember the twenty-ninth of December! The foreign treason and plot; I know of no reason. Why the foreign treason. Should ever be forgot! Remember, remember the twenty-ninth of December! The foreign treason and so on and so forth.

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25 Bill December 25, 2017 at 7:19 am

Does it strike you as strange that we celebrate a Pagan holiday with the birthday of another religion’s leader?

By the way, there are WAY too many phallic images in that picture, just sayin’, which leads me to believe there is more goin’ on at a deeper level than you imagine. What are they REALLY worshipping?

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26 Robert December 25, 2017 at 8:39 am

Merry Christmas, Mr. Cowen. You really now how to get their goat. 🙂

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27 anon December 25, 2017 at 9:04 am

Merry Christmas!

“It was impossible. Mary may have lived in a time before science, before the polite and clinical agents of reason had scrubbed the angels and demons and desert spirits away from all but the dark outer edges of our minds, but she was a woman — she knew where babies came from and how they got made. She knew that she was a virgin and that she had not become a wife to the man to whom she was engaged. She also knew what being pregnant and unmarried was likely to mean to her — socially, religiously, economically, physically — in first-century Palestine.

She’d probably witnessed her share of stonings.

Religious people sometimes get a pat on the head from their non-believing friends, who say things like, “All that stuff must be very comforting. I wish I could believe it.” But why would Mary have wished to believe it when the angel Gabriel visited her with that joyous and terrible announcement — “You will conceive and give birth to a son, and you are to call him Jesus; He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High” — when it would have been so much more comforting to believe that she’d simply had a strange dream? “Mary was greatly troubled at his words,” Luke’s gospel says.

“Do not be afraid,” the angel said. Easy for you to say, Gabriel.

“All that stuff must be very comforting. I wish I could believe it.””

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/454871/christmas-story-mary-joseph-abraham-issac

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28 freethinker December 25, 2017 at 10:03 am

Some Bible scholars say Jesus was probably not born in December for it would have been too cold for the shepherds to be out at night with their sheep. William Barclay in his famous New Testament Commentary suggests there is something to the tradition that he was born in a cave. Several scholars question the historicity of the three wise men visiting Jesus.

But so what? These are trivial issues The story of Christmas brings joy to people around the world. See the image of a Hindu man celebrating it: http://www.rediff.com/getahead/report/christmas-special-xmasphotos-that-capture-the-true-spirit-of-india/20171225.htm
the writing on his forehead is a transliteration of ” happy christmas”

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29 Dick the Butcher December 25, 2017 at 10:24 am

“. . . for God so loved the World . . .”

This day some commemorate the Nativity of the Savior of the World, the begotten Son of God, who by His life, death and Resurrection purchased the rewards of eternal life.

Merry Christmas and peace to all.

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30 Vox clamantis in deserto December 25, 2017 at 11:25 am

“Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.”

There will be no peace until Gog and Magog are slain, their heads are cut off, their dead bodies are left to the birds of the sky and the wild beasts of the earth, and the Hidden One crushes the serpent with His heel. Then, “every valley shall be exalted, and every mountain and hill shall be made low: and the crooked shall be made straight, and the rough places plain”.

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31 Vox clamantis in deserto December 26, 2017 at 2:20 am

Stop impersonating me.

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32 Efim Polenov December 25, 2017 at 3:20 pm

Merry Christmas!

Today is also the feast day of Saint Anastasia (one of the seven female martyrs remembered, inter alia, in the canon of the Roman Mass, every day).

It is known that she died for her faith – approximately 80 or 100 generations ago, and that her memory is sacred:

She is the patron saint of

martyrs, weavers, and those suffering from potions.

Tomorrow, Saint Stephen has a feast day, and the day after, Saint John the Apostle, and the day after that is the feast day of the Holy Innocents.

But today is Christmas and also the feast day of Saint Anastasia: “Commemoration of St. Anastasia, Martyr at Rome in 303: grant we beseech thee Almighty God, that we who devoutly keep the feast of blessed Anastasia, Thy Martyr, may feel the effects of her pleading with Thee.”……”that, being justified by His grace, we may be heirs according to hope of life everlasting” …. “and the shepherds returned, glorifying and praising God for all the things they had heard and seen, as it was told to them” … “Thou hast satisfied, O Lord, Thy household with holy gifts; refresh us always, we beseech thee, by the intercession of her (Anastasia), whose feast we celebrate.”

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33 Artimus December 25, 2017 at 11:29 pm

So anyone know the name of the painting Tyler posted?

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34 Art December 26, 2017 at 7:40 am

Valcin apparently didn’t name all his paintings. It appears to be some voodoo ritual, which the Haitians combined with Christianity.

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35 Enrique Guerra-Pujol December 28, 2017 at 10:18 am

And as I added on Alex’s post, a Happy New Year … both in total and at the margin!

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