Robert Ettinger does not pass away at age 92

The story is here.  Here is a clue:

“If both of my wives are revived,” Mr. Ettinger told the Detroit News last year, “that will be a high class problem.”

So far, not many newspapers have picked up this “obituary,” though I doubt if that is an intended tribute to Ettinger’s ideas.


The obit mentions that Ettinger once shared a stage with Wm F Buckley, and quotes Ettinger as saying “He was aghast at everything I said. He thought it was immoral, unethical, unsanitary, against the will of God!” he recalled, laughing. “Buckley understood nothing.”

"Understood nothing?" That is really the height of arrogance. Wm F Buckley was a conservative Catholic, but he was a *very* bright fellow. Most likely, he understood perfectly, but simply didn't agree.

Sadly, we see a lot of that sort of arrogance here in the comments on Marginal Revolution.

If he actually said that "it was immoral, unethical, unsanitary, against the will of God!” then I kind of think he understood nothing. Wm F Buckley was brilliant but also kind of arrogant in my assessment. He's also decomposing and Ettinger isn't. People can disagree but if they are wrong they are wrong. The most arrogant arguments I see are like those against cryonics. I can almost assure you that Buckley wasn't just saying that cryonics wasn't right for himself.

Sorry to not combine comments but I figured I needed to tone down the apperance of arrogance. I'm a cryonics supporter (though I didn't even realize it was a movement, to me it's a techonology) but I'm even more interested in it because of the rhetorics. I've found that it trips up the smartest people first. They can think of all these problems like overcrowding, etc. For some reason they never get to the key point: Death? Duh...winning!

It might be hard to tell the difference in the limiting case between a person who doesn't understand and a smart person who dogmatically doesn't agree.

Yeah, well, Ettinger has a chance at coming back. William Buckley does not. That's the bottom line.

What happens if the cooling at a cryonic storage facility fails. Could I sue them for potential homicide?

The lack of obits may just be due to other news coverage crowding out quirky tech news (Norway, the debt thing, recent deaths like Winehouse); obituaries of the less-prominent are not done on a timely basis but tend to be spread out to even out the page-count of that section of the newspaper (or so a book on obituaries told me).

Mr. Ettinger gives an example of marginal reasoning in his 1972 book, "Man Into Superman." Apparently the ability to work just a little bit harder without fatigue could make you a kind of "superman." Scroll down to the section about "Energy and Success":

I tried to interest the cryonics community in discussing the implications of "The Great Stagnation" for our project, but without much success. The cryonics literature has always assumed pretty much straightforward exponential economic growth and no shortage of low-hanging fruit. You can see an example of this assumption in Thomas Donaldson's 1979 essay about how in the coming centuries we'll just keep buying bigger and bigger versions of goods already available in the 1970's:

Donaldson mentions that with this universal growth of real wealth, individuals in Future World could own personal libraries comparable to city or university libraries now. (Years ago the California businessman Richard Riordan reportedly bought the entire library from a defunct Catholic college, some 40,000 volumes, and set it up in his mansion.) Apparently it hadn't occurred to Donaldson in 1979 that in about another three decades we could own thousands of digital books on devices smaller than a 1970's Etch A Sketch.

I am always utterly amazed at the dismissal of cryonics by most of those devoted to religion and their typical arrogant opposition to cryonics.

There is nothing in cryonics attempt for much longer life which defies the laws of nature whereas their is nothing in most religions visions of immortality that is supported by the laws of nature.

To each their own rapture.

Some believe in religion.

Others, refrigeration.

People will dismiss cryonics as a rapture, denial, false hope, wishful thinking, etc. until somebody gets it to work by reviving a cryonaut. Then people will probably call it an exercise in advanced trauma medicine, or something along those lines.

BTW, Robin Hanson likes to point out the fact that much of our allegedly modern "scientific" medicine lacks good evidence for its effectiveness. I don't know why we even bother pretending we can "treat" most forms of cancer. An impartial observer might compare the ordeal of chemotherapy to magical thinking, considering that it resembles the rituals shamans in many societies use to drive "demons" out of the bodies of "possessed" people by giving the people poisonous concoctions to make them violently ill. .

By contrast, modern medicine has made progress in finding safe and effective drugs to postpone the onset of cardiovascular diseases. Nobody compares taking an ACE inhibitor to lower your blood pressure to belief in the rapture, because that class of drug happens to work for many people, myself included.

Interesting side question you raise:

Who will be the first (person?) who gets thawed to see if experimental revival techniques work?

I mean, if someone thinks they have a way to revive a cryonaut, there has to be a frozen body to be the first one experimented on to see if the thawing process works.

Interesting legal problem: how do you get informed consent from a frozen body to participate in the revival trials?

You could have a situation where there could never be experimentation on thawing processes because no one ever consented.

Easy solution: Animal testing.

Took me 10 seconds to think of this.

Since he believes that he is not dead

While in the cooler,

Will he,

Or who will get,

His Social Security.

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