The culture that is America (Googling for God)

In the United States, there is more interest in heaven than in hell, at least based on searches. There are 1.5 times more searches for “heaven” than “hell,” 2.8 times as many searches asking what heaven looks like than what hell looks like, and 2.75 times as many searches asking whether heaven is real than whether hell is real.

…Relative to the rest of the country, for every search I looked at, retirement communities search more about hell. In retirement communities, there are a similar number of searches asking to see visuals of hell as visuals of heaven.

And:

There are 4.7 million searches every year for Jesus Christ. The pope gets 2.95 million. There are 49 million for Kim Kardashian.

That is from Seth Stephens-Dawidowitz.

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Insomnia's a hell of a thing.

Most MR posts are on timers; not live.

My Tyler bot never sleeps.

Existential angst leads to Google search analysis.

Kim Kardashian > Jesus Christ ;)

Nah, it's just that many people have no idea who the devil Kim Kardashian might be, but keep saying her/his name mentioned.

As the American Dream goes sour, the values once associated to it, get damaged in the eyes of an ever more frightened, angered, confused and desperated and divided against itself populace. Hence Donald Truman and Bernie Sanders sharing America's hopes the same Hitler and Stalin once shared Poland. If Donald Trump (and his voters) exist, then everything is allowed.

either that or google search numbers are bullshit.

Are poll numbers bullshit too? The people is angered and frightened and sick and tired and confused and disappointed with the way America is going.

"Are poll numbers bullshit too?"

Yes.

No, they aren't. They are instant photos of course. Things can change, but what they show now is a disillusioned and heartbroken America.

And how would you know if they were wrong? At least wtih elections you get an actual end result that you can compare to your polls (and hows that been going recently?) How would you know if polls were wrong about peoples mood?

How can you know they are not right? It is clear people are desperated enough to tell other people they would vote for Trump or Sanders. If the worst comes to worst, they will be desperated enough to vote this way. And then what?

"How can you know they are not right?" I cant, but you could say that about anything. How do you know astrology is not right?

How do you know that keeping typing won't kill you? You don't, but Russel's teapot and all that.Everything may be possible, but not everything is probable. How probable would be that so many Americans are planning to vote in Mussolini or in their hippie uncle if they were not scared, desperated, confused, angry and tired? American presidents used to be Jeffersons, Lincolns, Roosevelts, Trumans and Eisenhowers. Now...

"Jeffersons, Lincolns, Roosevelts, Trumans and Eisenhowers": your first example was a dilettante advertising man and slave-shagger, the third a pair of plonkers - the older a Big Government egomaniac, the younger a shady fascist/socialist creep. I'll grant you that Truman and Eisenhower tower over recent Presidents though.

They all led America to greatness. Thanks to them, America was strong and Americans were free. But now...
They were giants, but now American leaders are pygmies.

Dafuq you talking about? The only reason you "know" that people are going to vote Trump or Sanders is some bullshit poll told you so. If polling is fiction, so is your whole thesis.

"If polling is fiction, so is your whole thesis."
What do you mean by fiction? Pollsters just invent numbers? Or people telling they want Trump to be president are just lying? Why now? I think it is obvious that an impoverished and humiliated middle class was scared to madness and radicalized by the two main parties' failings. It became bitter, rabid and desperated.

I mean that what they report has little connection to reality, and there is no way of knowing if they are right or wrong. Are they lying outright? No i dont think so, but a number of factors are at work that make polling more and more useless. Less people respond to them, there is no incentive to tell the truth, they dont ask the right questions, people dont really know the answers, people trust the media less and feel less inclined to respond. I could go on.

And, yea, above all, people are lying. In my opinion, they arent saying they want Trump for president, they are saying they know about trump and agree with him more than some other no name candidate. Those that choose to respond, that is. Those that respond sincerely and arent just screwing with the pollsters.

Look at the last couple of elections. Polls have gotten it completely wrong and even the pollsters cant really say why.

"Polls have gotten it completely wrong and even the pollsters cant really say why. "
There were mistakes for sure, but they weren't all wrong all the way. It was clear that GOP's prospects melted with the economy in 2008 and, in 2012, only the true believers thought to the end that Mitt was to win. And as the primaries unfolded, it was clear that Obama's campaign was a match for Clinton's machine and Mitt and McCain were the only real options. Four years ago, no one had heard of Sanders or taken Trump seriously. But now Americans are too scared and disillusioned to think straight.

Even if some of the stuff you are saying is true, there is no way polling provides that information.

What it does provide is exactly what you are using it for, as a framework to hang your preconceived notions upon.

"Even if some of the stuff you are saying is true, there is no way polling provides that information."
If the American Dream hadn't gone sour, do you think Trump and Sanders would be leading the race? No way! The impoverished middle class is using them to hurt the mainstream they feel has betrayed it.

These are all good signs.

Nobody believes in eternal hellfire anymore. Most people's idea of Hades is a seat next to a blabber-mouth on a red-eye from Detroit to Seattle. The concept that Satanic imps will spend an eternity poking you with hot needles is medieval, which is a big part of the decline in importance of religion in the "advanced" societies.

*SEA --> DTW

I was gonna say...

One way to look at it - there are 2.95mm people who don't know who the pope is, 4.7mm people who don't know Jesus Christ and 49mm people who don't know Kim Kardashian.

So everyone knows me. No searches for me. I a more popular than Jesus AND The Beatles.

Ahhh, ever heard about the unknown unknowns?

You can't look for something you don't know it exists.

But if I didn't existed, it would be necessary to invent me.

"retirement communities search more about hell."

reminds me of that lyric "only the good die young"

And men from Central African Republic and Sierra Leone. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy

Bet Syrians aren't doing so good these days either. What's your point?

That life expectancy has much more to do with one's socioeconomic status and exposition to violent behaviour, harsh climatic conditions and pathological agents than with the inhrent goodness of one's heart.

I think what the song is saying is that the young haven't had time to rack up the sin count.

So he is right, the Africans are a special case of it. If the average is fourty-something, imagine the lower half or the lower fourth.
You either die an innocent or live enough to see yourself become a villain.

And what about Nero, Dylan Klebold and Miley Cyrus?

Its just a song not a law of physics.

This country is going to be so radically different when the baby boomers die

We won't have to pay their retirements! But will they die soon enough?

My understanding is that the Boomers are already outnumbered by the millenials. But, I could be wrong.

But it is fight to the death!

Boomers vote, millenials don't. As time advances and Boomers become more depedent on government services, look forward to the increasing power of AARP. I expect polls to require some sort of competency test, like who was President during Watergate? In what movie did Dustin Hoffman play a recent college graduate seduced by his girlfriend's mother? Who was lead drummer on the Rolling Stones?

I would never trust any government to administer a competency test. Not only is it odious with respect to the basic principle of one person, one vote, but it is also too easily gamed for discriminatory and/or partisan reasons.

If you think "intelligent" people should have a greater say, you can console yourself with the fact that "stupid" people are easily manipulated.

But not by the best people.

Maybe the Millenials don't vote but they are not supine. They loved their Uber in New York and won without casting a single vote. Personally, I think that is what the Millenials will fight for first. They do like their sharing economy. Maybe they will eventually get around to fighting over SS.

Yeah.
A lot of the ACA can be seen as the boomers voting to have millenials pay for their healthcare. People in the 55-65 age range, old enough to have health problems but not old enough for medicare are some of the biggest winners due to the 3/1 community rating.

The boomers didn't vote for it.

I am an atheist, and the pope irritates the **ck out of me. Who elected him and why does he think he is superior to anyone else ? Also the non-apology for the abuse is ridiculous. Even an apology would not suffice. What was needed was action. Instead it is all about how his people can do better next time. What a load of bull.

Who elected him?”
“A papal conclave is a meeting of the College of Cardinals convened to elect a new Bishop of Rome, also known as the Pope. (…) The body of electors was more precisely defined when, in 1059, the College of Cardinals was designated the sole body of electors. In 1970, Pope Paul VI limited the electors to cardinals under 80 years of age.”
“and why does he think he is superior to anyone else ?”
“The pope is considered by Roman Catholics to be the apostolic successor of Saint Peter and earthly head of the Roman Catholic Church.”
Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_conclave
Now you know, and knowing is half the battle.

Great, so the papal enclave should hang onto to his every word. Not the general populace. The fact is that the catholic church supported and hid evil - there is no other way to describe decades of child abuse and cover up. They are an evil organization and justice has not been served.

Now you know, and knowing is half the battle.

“The pope is considered by Roman Catholics to be the apostolic successor of Saint Peter and earthly head of the Roman Catholic Church.”
So there is at least a major group who should hang onto to his every word. And no one is forcing the media to follow the pope's every move, Castro to meet him and Congress to hear him. As an old Brazilian song goes, "The pope is pop, and the pop spares no one".
And it is unfair to call the Catholic Church an evil organization. 99% of it give the rest a bad name.

Great. We almost agree on something - 99 percent of the catholic church gives the rest a bad name. It may have been a "small" number of priests that actually do the abuse. But the cover up was universal and went all the way to the top. As a very hierarchical organization, blame for the cover up is almost universal. Absolving 1 percent is generous - but I am willing to accept that 1 percent is blameless. The rest are either evil or support evil and have no respect for justice or democracy.

Starting to miss P_A.

The only criticism of the Church that matters is criticism that comes from within the Church. It stings to hear but atheists critiques of religion do not matter to the religious just as religious critiques of atheism don't matter to atheists. I'd try to come to terms with religion and the Catholic Church as they will both be around for a loooooooong time.

People dont need to google stuff if they already know about it or already have places they go to learn/talk about it. I didnt have to google "economics" or "marginal revolution" to get here, i already know and come here.

"Who elected him?"
"A papal conclave is a meeting of the College of Cardinals convened to elect a new Bishop of Rome, also known as the Pope. (...) The body of electors was more precisely defined when, in 1059, the College of Cardinals was designated the sole body of electors. In 1970, Pope Paul VI limited the electors to cardinals under 80 years of age." "and why does he think he is superior to anyone else ?"
"The pope is considered by Roman Catholics to be the apostolic successor of Saint Peter and earthly head of the Roman Catholic Church."
Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_conclave
Now you know, and knowing is half the battle.

I wonder if this is more instigated by the Pope's visit or the news that we will shut down US government over Planned Parenthood?

I think the second is bigger news, and says more about public rationality.

I hate these lazy google-based articles. Set aside the laziness part - it's meaningless because nobody needs to google the words "Jesus Christ." Maybe you have to google "transsubstantiation" or "parable of the talents" or "theodicy." A few years ago there was a similar article saying that college football was most popular in New Hampshire (or something like that) because they had the most per capita searches for the literal phrase "college football." I would argue that proves the opposite - the less involved/knowledgeable about an issue you are, the more likely you are to have this kind of completely milquetoast, generic search term.

Heaven/hell is kind of interesting, but I suspect that's because hell is *easy* to envision. Fire, red demons, etc. Tangible stuff. It's less easy to imagine a state of bliss; Dante had people just kind of floating around in a rose (not very compelling fwiw).

I google tons of things that I already know about because I am looking for a particular link or article, Most people don't use Google as simply a place to look up things they have never heard of before.

The stats imply interest in the subject, not total ignorance of the subject.

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