*Savage Continent*

by on July 19, 2012 at 1:59 am in Books, History, Uncategorized | Permalink

That is the new book by Keith Lowe, with the subtitle Europe in the Aftermath of World War II.  Excerpt:

The number of sexual relationships that took place between European women and Germans during the war is quite staggering.  In Norway as many of 10 percent of women aged between fifteen and thirty had German boyfriends during the war.  If the statistics on the number of children born to German soldiers are anything to go by, this was by no means unusual…

Resistance movements in occupied countries came up with all kinds of excuses for the behaviour of their women and girls.  They characterized women who slept with Germans as ignorant, poor, even mentally defective.  They claimed that women were raped, or that they only slept with Germans out of economic necessity.  While this was undoubtedly the case for some, recent surveys show that women who slept with German soldiers came from all classes and all walks of life.  On the whole European women slept with Germans not because they were forced to, or because their own men were absent, or because they needed money or food — but simply because they found the strong, “knightly” image of the German soldiers intensely attractive, especially compared to the weakened impression they had of their own menfolk.  In Denmark, for example, wartime pollsters were shocked to discover that 51 per cent of Danish women openly admitted to finding German men more attractive than their own compatriots.

Nowhere was this need more keenly felt than in France…

You can buy the book here.

1 kaganovich July 19, 2012 at 2:27 am

Women love powerful foreigners when their own men look like conquered weaklings. Their loyalty is to their (potential) offspring, not to the beta male.

2 dearieme July 19, 2012 at 5:19 am

Rather like those white women who have the children of black men, eh?

3 vanderleun July 19, 2012 at 2:23 pm

You mean the women with the tramp stamps and crackho teeth and strange babies with no fathers and no hope of a check? Groovy!

4 Thor July 19, 2012 at 2:26 pm

“No hope of a check”? Why, isn’t the government pulling its weight?

5 Miley Cyrax July 20, 2012 at 12:35 am

Zing. +1

6 Nyongesa July 19, 2012 at 11:46 pm

Wow…three comments into a post by Tyler about the emasculation of European men and the racist crap against Blacks starts to fly. Wounded ego’s are vicious things

7 Miley Cyrax July 20, 2012 at 12:46 am

I disagree that the post is about the emasculation of European men. It’s about the utility function driving female instinct when it comes to mate selection–one that weighs heavily male status, but not morality or ex ante tribal allegiance–a utility function that comes at odds with the PC zeitgeist. Unsurprisingly, Stockholm Syndrome seems to be much more of a female than male phenomenon.

Secondly, while vanderleun made his or her point crudely, the truth remains. White women in America who pair off with black men tend to be lower in SES (socioeconomic status) and/or IQ. From an assortative mating standpoint this is quite plausible, as African American men are lower in SES and IQ, on average, than European American men.

I suspect high SES/IQ American white women pair off with much higher relative frequency than low SES/iQ women with Asian American men, who are higher in SES/IQ, on average, than European American men.

And your “wounded ego” comment is but an ad hominem.

8 Gian July 19, 2012 at 2:28 am

Wartime pollsters?. Surely not in Poland.
Shades of
“Winds from burning houses blew open girls’ skirts and
“Happy throngs laughed on a beautiful Warsaw Sunday”

9 peter a July 19, 2012 at 2:45 am

Interesting. The German genes in France, Benelux and Denmark probably balance all the little Russian kids in East Germany and Americans in West Germany.

10 FlatEric July 19, 2012 at 3:27 am

I’m sure many European women did have sexual relations with Germans. German women, for a start. Would a lesbian encounter between two Germans count double?

11 Alan July 19, 2012 at 5:54 am

“The newcomer filleth the eye.” I wonder about the figures for German and Italian women in 1945 – 1947.

12 steve July 19, 2012 at 7:22 am

so how did american soldiers fare in territories once the germans were beaten back?

13 prior_approval July 19, 2012 at 10:40 am

Well, for one, a lot of German women emigrated from their devastated homeland – an American or Canadian soldier had a lot of advantages, after all. Including the fact of actually being alive – the sex ratio in Germany afrer WW II was noticeably changed (from wikipedia) –
‘The casualties experienced by the combatant nations impacted the demographic profile of the post war populations. One study found that the male to female sex ratio in the German state of Bavaria fell as low as 60% for the most severely affected age cohort (those between 21 and 23 years old in 1946). This same study found that out-of-wedlock births spiked from approximately 10-15% during the inter-war years up to 22% at the end of the war. This increase in out-of-wedlock births was attributed to a change in the marriage market caused by the decline in the sex-ratio.’

Interestingly, this meant that the increase of out of wedlock births in Germany was considerably higher than the rate in conquered countries as reported in the above tidbit – which would seem to mean that conquest of a defeated nation’s women is less important than a changed sex ratio in the population doing the conquering. Which, at least in the case of Germany in WWII, came about through mass imprisonment and slaughter of a major part of the total male population in the age bracket most likely to be involved in ‘family formation.’

14 AC July 19, 2012 at 7:25 am

Loyalty and dedication in the face of existential risk is not a common female trait. A little evolutionary thinking makes the reason obvious.

15 Greg G July 19, 2012 at 9:07 am

What next? A discovery that most German soldiers preferred pretty women to ugly ones?

16 msgkings July 19, 2012 at 11:50 am

Loyalty and dedication in the face of existential risk is not a common male trait either, genius.

17 Anthony July 19, 2012 at 12:30 pm

Actually, it is. Otherwise armies wouldn’t be possible.

18 msgkings July 19, 2012 at 2:04 pm

Yeah, I guess you’re right. That’s why our army is all-male.

And it’s also why so many males are so eager to volunteer, from all socio-economic groups.

19 Richard July 20, 2012 at 12:35 am

That was a non-response. Anthony wins.

20 msgkings July 20, 2012 at 12:26 pm

Uh, nope.

21 TFG July 26, 2012 at 1:20 pm

History has shown that when societies face existential risk, their males overwhelmingly volunteer to defend it with their lives.

Societies that didn’t, didn’t leave many genes behind.

22 Miley Cyrax July 19, 2012 at 9:45 am

Unlike their WWII Norwegian sisters, however, these white women tend not to come from all classes or all walks of life, in particular all ranges of IQ, income, or BMI (which are all collinear).

23 Miley Cyrax July 19, 2012 at 10:03 am

Whoops, that was a reply to dearieme above.

24 Ryan July 19, 2012 at 10:16 am

…and this is why I fully support American imperialism.

25 Kevin H July 19, 2012 at 2:06 pm

“By faith and honour,
Our madams mock at us, and plainly say
Our mettle is bred out and they will give
Their bodies to the lust of English youth
To new-store France with bastard warriors.”

Hnery V, Act III, Scene 5

26 StPaulite July 19, 2012 at 6:10 pm

I’m convinced posts like these are some Straussian exercise on Tyler Cowen’s part: a little playground for the nu-phrenology/”hbd”/anti-feminist/liberty-is-for-white-men crowd to show their asses.

(wink)

27 Vernunft July 19, 2012 at 6:24 pm

Because “hbd” is a dirty word.

If you hate science.

I’m starting to think Steve Sailer is right that Cowen knows more than he lets on. I had given up on him due to his draconian comment deletion policy, but maybe he’s just playing the game after all.

28 uffy July 19, 2012 at 7:44 pm

I’m inclined to doubt this is finding is of much note. Women have sex with the men they meet; it’s amazing!

The polling result is to be expected given that the selection of fit young men sent into into other countries via war has already been selected for, duh, fitness. Of course the population of men as a whole cannot compete with a group specifically selected for various strengths.

Maybe I’m missing the point. Is it just a call to invade, say, Brazil and impregnate their women?

29 Thor July 19, 2012 at 8:23 pm

But the point you are perhaps missing is this: that local women are having sex with invading, colonizing forces, in spite of the deep cultural biases against the men. It’s a kind of test case for nature/nurture, no?

30 uffy July 19, 2012 at 8:54 pm

I’ve never seen convincing evidence that human women are nearly as picky as evolutionary biologists-anthropologists/sociologists/men seem to think they are.

Were there deep cultural biases against the particular German men that French or Danish women were mating with during WWII? A woman meets an attractive and decent German farm boy and she’s not going to have sex with him because his Fuhrer is just too distasteful? What if the guy says he’s apolitical – just swept up in this whole “war” thing until it all blows over and he can go back to wearing lederhosen and raising dairy cows for Allgäuer Emmentaler?

I’m fairly certain that men in general have become habitually confused about the ease with which women would be (and are) willing to sleep with them. Haven’t warring tribes always had a striking degree of interrelations despite political hostility? The median woman, especially one of child bearing age, isn’t expected to be smitten with an attractive newcomer who brings her flowers and writes her poems just because he also fights for the “other team”? Humans just seem to want to screw regardless – genetic diversity and all that.

31 msgkings July 20, 2012 at 12:32 pm

What you’re missing, uffy, is that most HBD/PUA/Game ‘followers’ or whatever the heck you call them are actually pretty low on the totem pole when it comes to getting women to sleep with them. To them it’s not about the ‘ease with which women would be willing to sleep with them’. Their fanatical devotion to their theories is an ego-restoring construct…it’s not their fault they don’t get any, it’s those mindless rutting whores who only like the cool jocks.

You sound like a confident guy who hasn’t had much trouble getting women, so your perspective is very different from these types.

32 chuck martel July 19, 2012 at 11:03 pm

Women dig guys in uniforms, soldiers, cops and hockey players.

33 Miley Cyrax July 20, 2012 at 12:34 am

At the end of the day, women dig winners. Female instinct cares not for our pathetic PC sensibilities.

34 Joe Blow July 20, 2012 at 12:16 am

Paging Heartiste …..

35 Ghost of Christmas Past July 20, 2012 at 1:17 am

Bryan Caplan over at econolog needs to read this book, so he can understand better why rational (that is to say, “adaptive” in an evolutionary sense) men oppose immigration. Immigrants compete with natives for mating opportunities.

36 msgkings July 20, 2012 at 12:34 pm

What about female immigrants? More mating opportunities for the natives, not less.

37 sabina July 20, 2012 at 10:08 am

Useppe, the son of Ida, a widow of jewish origin, and Gunther, a German soldier, who raped her in 1941, while in Rome, is the main carachter of La storia by Elsa Morante, one of the most popular Italian book – or, at least, it was when it was published in 1974.

38 ad July 20, 2012 at 1:53 pm

So the conquerors were thought to be more attractive than the conquered. Were millionaires thought to be more attractive than paupers?

39 Nodnarb the Nasty July 22, 2012 at 11:57 pm

+1

40 canadur! July 21, 2012 at 11:20 pm

So what you are saying all those ‘rapes’ of German women by Soviet soldiers were just a Cold War propaganda then, right? After all, the Soviet male proved himself the ultimate warrior.

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