Who are the three highest paid officials on the Pentagon budget?

by on June 17, 2013 at 1:38 pm in Political Science, Sports, Uncategorized | Permalink

The football coaches at Army, Navy and Air Force.

Here is more (mostly on other topics), hat tip to @jtlevy.  Here are some comparable answers for state government employees.

1 mw June 17, 2013 at 1:51 pm

LOL. I guess we’re not including the CEO of Halliburton.

2 mw June 17, 2013 at 2:16 pm

I think the data points you were actually looking for were:
” For example, the study found that, on average, the federal government paid contractors $268,653 per year for computer engineering services, while government workers in the same occupation made $136,456.
For human resources management, the federal government paid contractors an annual rate of $228,488, more than twice the $111,711 to have the same services done in-house.”

3 JWatts June 17, 2013 at 2:30 pm

It’s a general rough rule of thumb that a contractors yearly rate is roughly twice what an internal employees is. This covers additional taxes, additional insurance, retirement costs, overhead for the contractor, and flexibility in the time worked.

So apparently the US government is paying about what you would expect them to pay, assuming that $136K is a reasonable internal employee rate.

4 The Condor June 17, 2013 at 5:14 pm

Let’s put it the proper way — the contracting firm bills roughly twice the salary of the government employee.

The employee of the contracting firm gets a significantly lower salary. Maybe even lower than the government employee.

Last time I did contracting, when the employer was looking to bring me in full-time, I learned that I was billed at $105/hour. I was paid $65/hour — without benefits.

5 chum lee June 17, 2013 at 5:44 pm

$65 an hour? I’d happily purchase my own benefits with that.

6 errorr June 18, 2013 at 4:03 am

This is the end result of congress wanting to shrink government. Many areas of the government are wildly understaffed especially in areas that can’t reasonably be outsourced like acquisitions, even though as a contractor I had to follow the ridiculously complicated FAR without the legal sanctions a government emplouee would be subject too. I was billed at nearly $100/hr to the government to ensure I was saving taxpayers a few hundred dollars her and there.

7 mm June 18, 2013 at 9:34 am

you are right! The IRS was so overworked they had to delegate staff to harassing the tea party. The problem isn’t the desire to shrink the gov’t, the problem is the gov’t is so bureaucratic and unwieldy that the staff cannot be shifted to where it is needed from featherbedded departments. the gov’t is way too large, does too much & much of it poorly.

8 Someguy June 22, 2013 at 2:27 pm

Sorry, MM, but liberal groups got plenty of scrutiny. They just didn’t raise an outcry because they don’t have nearly the persecution complex that the “oppressed” members of the tea party do.

As for the IRS itself, under Bush, they contracted out tax collection to several private firms. They even let them keep some of the money as a bonus. None of them came close to the collection rates and efficiency of the internal employees, many of whom had been laid off to make way for the contractors.

If that was all too much for you, a summary would be “MM doesn’t know what they’re talking about.”

9 Careless June 17, 2013 at 2:28 pm

Do the service academies have a lot of oil fields?

10 Marc Passy June 17, 2013 at 1:53 pm

When I was at USAFA (in the 80’s) the football program was a net positive revenue generator for the Athletic Dept and underwrote many other sports. Considering essentially all of the football players continue on to serve the same as all other graduates, the academies are some of the few places where Div 1 football isn’t an unpaid internship – it truly is an extracurricular activity. So paying the coach to help make money for the rest of the sports program is a good thing, yes? Building well-rounded officers for career service? As MacArthur said “On the field of friendly strife are sown the seeds that on other days and other fields will bear the fruits of victory.”

11 Alexei Sadeski June 17, 2013 at 2:09 pm

I think that every D1 football team is a massive money maker.

12 tt June 17, 2013 at 2:18 pm

except the money made does not go into education.

13 Careless June 17, 2013 at 2:33 pm
14 Careless June 17, 2013 at 2:36 pm

although I’d bet the ones that lose money mostly also take in a lot of revenue, unlike their other sports.

15 Andrew' June 17, 2013 at 2:17 pm

Allow the athletes to be remunerated (openly) and I cease caring instantly.

16 Rahul June 17, 2013 at 1:56 pm

A few years ago the highest paid professor at the University of Wisconsin was the Director, Center for Poverty Research.

17 Careless June 17, 2013 at 3:53 pm

I have no idea if you’re right about that or not, but your post here is currently the top google result for it.

18 MD June 18, 2013 at 12:12 pm

But he probably didn’t make nearly what Bielema made.

19 Rahul June 19, 2013 at 12:31 am

Definitely didn’t.

20 goalielax June 17, 2013 at 2:04 pm

That is incorrect. Navy’s athletic departmet budget for coaches is 100% non-appropriated http://www.navysports.com/ot/what-is-naaa.html

“All NAAA coaches, administration, and staff are compensated for their professional services via non-appropriated (non-government) funding that is externally generated by the NAAA.”

21 tt June 17, 2013 at 2:38 pm

get your facts out of my argument!

22 James Clary June 17, 2013 at 3:11 pm

Just because it is non-appropriated funding does not change the fact they are DoD employees. What it does change is how much alarm one should feel about the pay of these coaches, but much like the “highest paid state employee” facebook meme a few months ago, people don’t really care where the pay comes from.

23 oalielax June 17, 2013 at 9:09 pm

Yes, it does. You apparently have no idea what appropriated funds are. They are not DoD employees. They are the private employees of a 501(c)(3) non-profit organization. No matter how much you want to make a meme out of it, the NAAA is not in any way related to the DoD.

24 Peter June 19, 2013 at 3:17 am

Just for the record, while it might not apply to the NAAA, there are non appropriated Federal agencies with federal employees, SPAWAR is a great example.

25 Subsunk June 19, 2013 at 8:10 am

Then we’d better start asking why it is so important to have DoD employees who are not paid by appropriated funds. Using non-appropriated funds to pay the largest salaries in DoD begs the question of why they need to be paid at all, why does DoD have to have an entire private enterprise to cover football coaches and games, why does DoD need a commissary system in places where WalMart is acroos the street? All the stuff using non -appropriated funds for its existence means it isn’t a core mission of DoD.

If we let the troops handle their own recreation and stop prosecuting them for beer-ball games, then we wouldn’t need to find a way to keep their morale up by paying for intramural fields which they use only in small numbers because they’d rather go have a private beer bust than suffer the hassle of the rules DoD puts on them to use the system.

Stick to warfighting and training for war, stop the sensitivity training, and go back to the fact that if you have to whine about how hard it is to get ahead without having fancy recruiting programs via football programs, and ads requiring every female to be a SEAL killer, and every guy to be as comfortable in Class Cs as well as a tutu, then you don’t really have what it takes to be a warrior today…..


26 GTG June 24, 2013 at 1:23 pm

They are not DoD employees.

27 mk4524 July 13, 2013 at 3:19 pm

Rather than deal with the fact that by definition a DoD.empoyee is not paid with non-appropriated funds, sunsunk es.ts to just rant.

28 Jacob T. Levy June 17, 2013 at 2:13 pm

The way the UW system reports salaries, the med school faculty’s pay is substantially outside the Freedom of Information rules and so doesn’t appear in the databases. Those who are left on the highest-paid listing include a lot of finance and econ people, some of whom are part of the Center for Poverty Research, but one shouldn’t be misled to think that they’re out-earning the med faculty.

29 Rahul June 17, 2013 at 2:15 pm

It takes a lot of money to figure out why people don’t have money?

30 Andrew' June 17, 2013 at 2:20 pm

And even more not to!

31 JWatts June 17, 2013 at 2:33 pm

It takes a lot of money to figure out why people don’t have money?

Well they’ve certainly fixed their personal poverty issue, now haven’t they? 😉

32 Jacob T. Levy June 17, 2013 at 7:36 pm

Economists are expensive. Cute pseudo-irony aside, it doesn’t seem like a terrible thing for a few of those economists to take an interest in poverty, even though, yes, the most expensive of them tend to be the finance economists who, so to speak, study great wealth.

33 Rahul June 18, 2013 at 11:28 am

Is it relevant that their ostensible goal is to reduce or eliminate poverty (not just study it) and further that they seem to be trying to figure strategies to reduce inequality too?

One strategy seems obvious.

34 mm June 18, 2013 at 9:37 am

John Edwards had to spend years chasing ambulances, holding seances with dead victims in the courtoom & working for offshore hedge funds to learn about poverty & become the advocate for the poor (not to mention using scams o avoid medicare taxes). But the press loved him so it wasn’t widely reported until his mistress had a baby.

35 Corey June 17, 2013 at 3:17 pm

I thought sports at Universities were for students? Bringing in a multi-million-dollar quarterback to help win the Rose Bowl isn’t allowed. Why would we allow any other member of the team be a paid professional then?

As far as I am concerned, the coaching staff should be students. Ditto for management. The student groups I’m a part of on campus are run by students, why not football?

36 Da June 17, 2013 at 6:19 pm

Should the professors also be students then? Or do you just feel that a coach has nothing to teach?

37 Someguy June 22, 2013 at 2:45 pm

Then why not just have a bunch of privately funded “colleges” that teache nothing but athletics and let them have the college sports franchises?

News flash: Getting rid of the current money-sink that’s college athletics might actually help our country turn out more programmers, engineers, scientists, etc. The last time I checked, our country needs far more of them than it does college athletes.

38 Tom (Not that one) June 17, 2013 at 3:49 pm

The culture that is the United States of America.

39 Norman Pfyster June 17, 2013 at 4:38 pm

I take some comfort in our revealed priorities.

40 Urso June 17, 2013 at 6:16 pm

Agreed; this post gives me more optimism about our country than I’ve had in years.

41 greg June 17, 2013 at 7:42 pm

Ugh. The universe is officially upside down.greg

42 Dan Ryan June 17, 2013 at 10:14 pm

Marine Corps need to step up.

43 Sabah ilan Servisi June 18, 2013 at 2:26 am

If you know who the three major Pentagon. can you share it with us. do not judge the issue.

44 randy June 18, 2013 at 5:23 am

gross. bread and circuses…

though i _suppose_ these coaches are paid less compared to other college football coaches.

and hey! at least football provides entertainment to rich and poor people..a lot of people love it.

better than vampire-squid banksters and sycophant politicians. but not by much. they’re pretty equal to me, just a matter of magnitude.

if only this country had a respectable elite. instead of these mercantile, greed driven scum.

America is an Idiocracy, truly.

45 Andrew' June 18, 2013 at 6:25 am

What I find interesting is that the military is a very structured hierarchy with a lot of competition. There is also a lot of competition to be a football coach. Why does one create a huge windfall and the other “normal” wages if not underpayment relative to human capital? Part of it is that college football is popular and the athletes are precluded by rule and law from capturing their share of the revenues (if they weren’t precluded by rule and law from doing so). But that’s not all of it.

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47 M June 18, 2013 at 10:54 am

Interesting, except that the academy football coaches aren’t on the Pentagon budget.

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Hey at least they didn’t kill anyone or blow up anything useful. That’s puts them well ahead of the net utility game as compared to most of the military.

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