Hindu fact of the day

by on April 26, 2017 at 1:43 pm in Education | Permalink

96% of Hindus in the US have at least a college degree or its equivalent.

Here is the source.

1 Troll Me April 26, 2017 at 1:46 pm

Maybe the non-college ones disowned their Hindu status after negative treatment from family? Indians who come to the USA do not tend to come from families with low respect for education, for example.

2 Jan April 26, 2017 at 4:43 pm

Look at source. Report actually says 96% has higher ed, including vocational training, not just a college degree.

3 Jan April 26, 2017 at 4:51 pm

But I’ll concede it’s a very misleading title for the chart. Never count on people to read the text itself!

4 bruce April 26, 2017 at 1:47 pm

Adults

5 charlie April 26, 2017 at 1:58 pm

That is news? This has been true for 40+ years now.

6 prior_test2 April 26, 2017 at 2:01 pm

It most certainly has not.

7 prior_test2 April 26, 2017 at 2:01 pm

That number is extremely suspect, to be honest – for example, of all the married Hindu couples in the U.S., that means that something on the order of 96% of all Hindu women in the U.S. also have degrees.

Further, this also seems suspect for the further reason that a number of Hindus have immigrated to the U.S. from former British colonies like South Africa or those in the Caribbean, not to mention an island like Bali.

8 charlie April 26, 2017 at 2:55 pm

married Indian/Hindu woman — yes I’d say close to 99% college grads. I’m trying to think of one that doesn’t have a graduate degree.

South African hindus: almost none in the US. Plenty of Gujus from Uganda/Kenya though.

Caribbean hindus: yes, that is a larger number than south africans. I’d wonder how many self-identify as Hindus anymore. Large number of Christians in there now.

9 prior_test2 April 26, 2017 at 3:00 pm

Of the two married Indian Hindu couples I know of in the U.S:, neither wife has a degree.

Anecdata, of course, but what are the odds of that when 96% of all Hindus have a degree?

10 msgkings April 26, 2017 at 3:12 pm

Since 100% of the Americans living in Germany that post on this site are pedantic d-bags, can we assume something close to that figure describes all Americans living in Germany? Anecdata, of course.

11 RPLong April 27, 2017 at 2:27 pm

“but what are the odds of that when 96% of all Hindus have a degree?”

Uh. Shouldn’t you know the answer to that question?

12 Ed April 26, 2017 at 4:10 pm

My anecdotal experience is that Caribbean Indians don’t appear to maintain Hinduism. In fact I think I’ve met more Muslim & Christian Caribbean Indians than Hindi.

13 prior_test2 April 26, 2017 at 2:04 pm

Hindus are not equal to Indians, in case anyone is interested in avoiding such an elemental mistake, particularly those unaware of how the British Empire was instrumental in creating ‘overseas Hindu’ communities.

14 Borjigid April 26, 2017 at 2:18 pm

Color me skeptical.

15 shrikanthk April 26, 2017 at 2:21 pm

Hindus are also the most affluent religious group in the US. By far. Immigration to US from India is predominantly middle class driven. Very little from the working class.

There is considerable working class Muslim immigration from Pakistan / Bangladesh. But Hindu immigration is entirely middle class.

“Hindus are not equal to Indians”

I’m pretty sure atleast 80% of adult American Hindus are either 1st or 2nd generation immigrants from India.

16 prior_test2 April 26, 2017 at 2:38 pm

Easily – but assume that 100% of them have degrees (which considering several married Indian couples I know residing in the U.S. is most definitely not the case), and then throw in the Hare Krishnas and similar, and that 96% number looks dubious, at very best.

Further, as some comments on twitter suggest, the numbers seem considerably less than precisely defined. Especially as the Census does not ask about religion, apparently (and properly, in my personal opinion).

It just seems the typical sort of ‘fact’ that this web site likes to highlight, without spending even a minute thinking about it.

17 shrikanthk April 26, 2017 at 2:40 pm

I understand there might be sampling issues.

But trust me, that figure is no less than 80-85%. 96% isn’t as incredible as it sounds.

18 prior_test2 April 26, 2017 at 2:57 pm

I’m open to any number which is not so close to 100%, particularly as a number of Indian married couples in the U.S. do not comprise two degree holders.

And not to get into doctrinal discussions, but the Pew survey that seems a data source ( http://www.pewforum.org/religious-landscape-study/religious-tradition/hindu/ ) is severely flawed, as can be seen by what it considers the numbers of Hindus in West Virginia in 2014 as being 309, while according to the 2010 Census, the number of people living in New Vrindaban was 352 (it is fairly safe to assume essentially all of those 352 people to be Hare Krishna adherents). Small sample size, of course, but it seems likely that Pew missed more than half of the Hindus living in West Virginia.

(That avoidance of doctrinal discussion is meant seriously – whether Hare Krishnas are Hindus or not is about the same as questioning whether Mormons are Christians or not – an unbeliever looking at it from the outside is simply not in a position to make a judgment within a religious framework.)

19 shrikanthk April 26, 2017 at 3:21 pm

Well, one shouldn’t assume that housewives are not degree holders.

Most Indian housewives in US are often college graduates (some with masters).

20 Skeptic April 26, 2017 at 2:56 pm

No, sorry. Jews are far more affluent than Hindus. Talking wealth, not salaries. LOL.

21 shrikanthk April 26, 2017 at 3:19 pm

Am talking salaries

22 prior_test2 April 26, 2017 at 2:25 pm

Sample size, as noted by Justin Wolfers in this Pew link – http://www.pewforum.org/religious-landscape-study/religious-tradition/hindu/ – seems to just under 200. And is seemingly focused on Indians exclusively, which is strange when talking about a religion with adherents who are not Indians (including, one would reasonably expect, at least a few thousand Americans – unless one dismisses Hare Krishnas, for one notable example, as not being Hindus).

23 Pew hasn't heard of Mehsana April 26, 2017 at 2:50 pm

While this is not completely impossible as a stat, it is somewhat doubtful. Even a super robust survey that mixes in census data etc. is unlikely to catch the current wave (perhaps 2005-present) of Gujaratis, both legally and unlawfully present. A surprising portion of them are likely to live in rural areas in motel rooms and other informal or secluded apartments where they are extremely unlikely to answer any mail or visits to their doors. But even among that group, a big chunk have bachelors’ degrees in business. Even grain traders here unlawfully working at a motel or an Indian store are going to be at >50%.

24 Massimo Heitor April 26, 2017 at 3:47 pm

Hindu Privilege, Supremacy, and unfair advantage?

25 Ed April 26, 2017 at 4:13 pm

Anyone done a study on Caribbean Indian immigrants? When I lived in NYC they weren’t exactly knocking it out of the park academically.

When I worked at the bank. One of the tellers was an Indian from Trinidad and she would complain about her son, hanging out all night, not going to school and giving her and her husband (not his father) fits.

26 Bunker Brown April 26, 2017 at 7:28 pm

Everyone eventually reverts to the mean. Even the 96%.

27 rec1man April 28, 2017 at 10:27 am

Per Devesh Kapur, the other 1%, there is no sign of reversion to the mean in the 2nd generation of Indian Americans – 82% of 2nd generation have a college degree

Indian parents will fund college education in STEM fields ( not arts ) of their kids

28 spandrell April 26, 2017 at 4:13 pm

It obviously follows that if 96% went to college, everybody would be as affluent as American Hindus. It’s science!

29 Jan April 26, 2017 at 4:35 pm
30 Jan April 26, 2017 at 4:41 pm

Sorry, original source was Pew as well, but the Tweeter misinterpreted the report. 96% have at least some higher ed, NOT college degree.

31 Jan April 26, 2017 at 4:47 pm

College degree for Hindus is 77% per Pew report I linked to above.

32 Milo Fan April 26, 2017 at 4:41 pm

I call fake news.

33 Fish Bone Head April 27, 2017 at 12:00 am

+1

34 Cooper April 26, 2017 at 5:16 pm

http://www.pewforum.org/2015/05/12/chapter-3-demographic-profiles-of-religious-groups/#educational-attainment-and-income-of-religious-groups

Data checks out. Only 12% of Hindus surveyed in 2014 had a high school degree or less. Among all Americans, that figure was 41%.

35 Jan April 26, 2017 at 5:21 pm

And 77% with college degrees.

36 Gary S April 26, 2017 at 7:44 pm

Degrees from India are typically less rigorous than those from the U.S. Hindus with Master’s in Computer Applications, extremely common at Hindu IT body shops, generally don’t know the basic theory taught in Bachelor’s in Computer Science.

37 shrikanthk April 26, 2017 at 7:58 pm

It’s not fair to compare a Computer Applications Diploma with bachelors in Computer Science. That’s apples and oranges.

Not all American degrees are rigorous either. A degree in home improvement or Native American studies doesnt strike me as particularly rigorous

38 Jan April 26, 2017 at 8:39 pm

Do you know where I can pursue a degree in home improvement?

39 Troll Me April 26, 2017 at 10:29 pm

The rigour of a field is not determined by your subjective opinion about how useful it is.

It’s often opposite to expected. In a field that is not all that useful, standards may be extremely high in order to keep people out. No matter how useful you think history is, you really don’t want 100% of youth studying history full time at university. But for the 1% who do? They’d better perform.

This isn’t like computer programming or something where there will be jobs for the moderately competent basically no matter where you study.

Duh, the moderately OK programmer can expect to make more money than the class A historian. So what?

40 Potato April 27, 2017 at 12:22 am

So, Nathan…

You implied on one thread that you have an economics degree. Clearly you’ve heard of the concept of supply and demand. “Rigor” is imprecisely defined, and thus useless. However, wages are set by supply and demand for labor. We do not need a “subjective” method for identifying labor usefulness. An objective one already exists, in wages.

Usefulness needs to include opportunity cost. And that’s why we have economics.

It can certainly be inferred that rigor is tied to wage income plus non wage or non monetary differentials. Otherwise there’s a massive arbitrage opportunity.

Physicists regularly work as quants for us. So do mathematicians. Historians have no use and therefore compete for self replicating positions in academia. As do the other non rigorous majors. These people aren’t competing against employers, they’re competing against skilled labor. And their average iq/gre score is so hilariously awful they couldn’t get an intern position at Accenture.

41 Troll Me April 27, 2017 at 1:24 am

Stalin would have loved to ban the academic study of history (as opposed to wrote memorization of national stories in grade school) to a Central Party School.

Let us quibble about a some decimal places in GDP now.

42 Ricardo April 27, 2017 at 6:53 am

Most Indians with h1b visas either have undergrad or graduate degrees from American universities or else graduated from the cream of the crop Indian universities and got jobs with major multinational companies. People with degrees from second- or third-tier Indian institutions are not going to be well-represented in the population of skilled visa holders although they may be better represented among Indians who came to the U.S. on investor or family-sponsorship visas.

43 Troll Me April 27, 2017 at 2:09 pm

This.

And their children for practical purposes will have little choice but to go to uni.

44 anon April 26, 2017 at 9:00 pm

Guys, let us stop freaking about Hindu college degree holders. China just unveiled indigenously built aircraft carrier. Looking for a post from a race realist about how inferior non-white people are, to prevent alt-right group panic reaction. Please help!

Panicked Alt-righter.

45 Moo cow April 27, 2017 at 12:22 am

Don’t worry. America’s almost great again.

46 Vivek April 26, 2017 at 9:04 pm

100% of them are third rate bigots. The only people in which education increases bigotry are Hindus.

47 shrikanthk April 26, 2017 at 9:54 pm

you’re probably a good illustration of that 🙂

48 Steve Sailer April 26, 2017 at 10:59 pm

I … suppose this figure could be true.

But, generally speaking, 96% of anybody doesn’t have anything.

49 Jan April 27, 2017 at 5:30 am

True. The correct number is about 77%. 96% have some sort of post-secondary ed, but that is not “a college degree.”

50 Gimlet April 27, 2017 at 12:02 am

We need to look at the timing of Hindu migration. My guess is that most of the Hindu population of the U.S. has migrated here fairly recently, and under H1B or similar programs that favor skilled immigrants.

51 dux.ie April 27, 2017 at 2:40 am

The number seems a bit high. However, from the IAB data which were aggregated from US census 2010 the % of sub-continent Indian with degrees or higher PctHi10,

PctHi10 NHi10 NTot10 Source

82.04 1195820 1457640 India

It also appeared that most oversea Indian students remained in US after graduation (the NH1Bers included those directly from India) the ratio of NH1Bers to NStudent was 1.3 in chart 2.

https://i.redd.it/spplcv3h0fry.png

Comparatively, the ratio for Chinese is 0.09. Most of the Chinese students returned home. In PPP values the oversea qualified Chinese graduates earned about the same as those in US.

“””For Some Jobs, China Salaries Now On Par With U.S. – Forbes http://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/…/for-some-jobs-china-salaries-now-on-par-with-u-s... Jun 14, 2012 – China incomes are on the rise, but the payscale at some professional jobs in China may surprise the average American. Based on 2011 … “””

52 hello April 27, 2017 at 8:43 am

Assuming we are talking about Indian Hindus here, is this that surprising? As my Indian colleague explained to me once, it’s the cream of the crop, of a nation of 1.3B, that come here. Taking this population as representative of the Indian population as a whole is a huge mistake.

53 Sir Barken Hyena April 27, 2017 at 9:45 am

I’ve worked in IT for 20 years, and am now at a major financial company where maybe 30-40% in IT are Indians. I’ve heard several self-identified Brahmins say in hushed tones that the climate in India is politically and socially adverse for them so they had to leave to advance in their careers. I have no idea how many Indians in the US are Brahmins but it stands to reason that they’d be over-represtented.

54 RPLong April 27, 2017 at 2:29 pm

Probably because Indians with greater wealth tend to be better-able to emigrate to the United States, and Brahmins tend to have greater wealth.

55 shrikanthk April 28, 2017 at 8:35 am

Not true.

Mean per-capita income of Brahmins in India is less than 30-40% higher than the average per-capita income of the country.

Brahmin poverty is very widespread, particularly in North India

56 RPLong April 28, 2017 at 12:17 pm

Another way of phrasing that is, “Mean per-capita income of Brahmins in India is almost 30% higher than the average per-capita income of the country.”

If I made you almost 30% richer than you are right now, would you feel richer or poorer?

57 shrikanthk April 28, 2017 at 4:22 pm

You gotta consider the base.

Brahmin income on an average, is worse than the average income of fairly poor countries like China, Iran, Venezuela and even Mexico.

There are other castes richer than Brahmins on an average. Why single out Brahmins? Khatris, Kayasths, Marwaris, Jains, Parsis are all richer than Brahmins as a class.

58 RPLong April 28, 2017 at 5:56 pm

Now you’re completely changing your argument. My claim was that Brahmins have higher than average wealth. You confirmed that was indeed true. End of story.

59 shrikanthk April 28, 2017 at 6:24 pm

Your hypothesis was that Brahmins are able to emigrate in larger numbers because they are wealthier than the average Indian.

I’d say – first of all, prove it to me that Brahmin % in US is indeed very high in relation to their % in Urban India. Sure, it may be a little higher possibly driven by reverse-discrimination policies of Indian governments. But show me the data point that it is massively higher.

And if it is indeed significantly higher, I can also make the argument that Brahmins emigrate on account of their superior cultural capital or greater enterprise, or superior discipline (that would be a conservative take). You prefer the materialist Marxist explanation that attributes the higher representation to wealth. We hypothesize as it suits our political biases.

60 rec1man April 28, 2017 at 12:50 am

In the South Indian State of Tamil Nadu, there is an official anti-brahmin quota of 69%, but in reality it is 100% ; there are 0 Tamil Brahmins in MD, 0 College Professor in Govt College, even 0% in Govt School Teacher jobs and 0% in State gov bureaucracy – net result, 15% of Tamil Brahmins, ( mostly the higher IQ segment ) have migrated to USA –

Sundar Pichai, Indra Nooyi, ex-chess champ Vish Anand, late math whiz Ramanujam and 50% of the Indian nuke blast team of 1974 are Tamil Brahmins

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