Sentences to ponder

by on May 18, 2017 at 3:17 am in Current Affairs | Permalink

National Security Council officials have strategically included Trump’s name in “as many paragraphs as we can because he keeps reading if he’s mentioned,” according to one source, who relayed conversations he had with NSC officials.

This second bit I am fully in accord with:

Trump likes to look at a map of the country involved when he learns about a topic.

Here is the Reuters article, via Brad Jaffy and Brendan Nyhan.

1 Todd May 18, 2017 at 7:55 am

The Situation Room has been equipped with a chocolate fountain and ice cream station, a Ms. Pac-Man standup arcade game, and brightly colored bean bag chairs. Intelligence briefings are often broken up by sing-a-longs, and staffers try to sneak policy proposals into the daily show-and-tell, before the afternoon nap.

2 GoneWithTheWind May 18, 2017 at 10:34 am

It is great fun to make stuff up about Trump. The MSM has been fake news 24/7 since Trump won. Too bad they prefer to trash the president over bringing the country together.

3 anon May 18, 2017 at 10:48 am

You know what’s really interesting?

This is one I would not repeat, pending fact-checking.

I mean it is sadly amusing, but it is also a bit out there, and dangled for confirmation-bias.

4 anon May 18, 2017 at 10:57 am

They say in the article how thin this is “according to one source, who relayed conversations he had with NSC officials.”

5 prior_test2 May 18, 2017 at 11:19 am

Yep, a single source? When reporting on Flynn lying about contact with Kisylak, it was 9 current and former intelligence sources, according to the Post. That was good, solid sourcing. After all, the Comey’s notes leak seems to have precisely the same tenuous connection to reality – somebody ‘knowing’ about the notes reading from them. Really thin gruel, just the media playing its typical anti-Trump melody. Well, until Congress requests (or subpoenas) them. Then we won’t have to rely on the fake news media – we can read them ourselves, and also compare them with Trump’s requested (or subpoenaed) ‘tapes.’

6 anon May 18, 2017 at 11:24 am

A single source who isn’t even a principal. Hearsay from a single source.

7 prior_test2 May 18, 2017 at 11:51 am

Just like with the revealed existence of Comey’s notes, one safely assumes – ‘A single source who isn’t even a principal. Hearsay from a single source.’

Though Comey does seem a bit smarter than a proven liar like Flynn, and considering that it is unlikely that John Miller called up the Post to talk about Trump’s dinner engagements – at least when they don’t involve women. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/05/16/donald-trumps-john-miller-interview-is-even-crazier-than-you-think/

8 Dick the Butcher May 18, 2017 at 11:44 am

GWTW, They are so filled with blind rage and angst over corrupt. incompetent Hillary’s devastating defeat that they want a Constitutional crisis, any Constitutional crisis they can fabricate, to reverse the will of 63,000,000 voters.

The crony capitalist billionaire, crony socialist, deep state, democrat, globalist, green-hoax, lobbyist, NeverTrump RINO’s, racial racketeer, special interest Kleptocracy needs stop Trump or die.

If, God forbid, they prevail, they will resurrect the past eight years’ giving the middle finger to working class Americans.

9 Adam May 18, 2017 at 12:35 pm

I mean, I’m pro-trump but im also pro constitutional crisis, so any way this works out is fine by me!

10 Hazel Meade May 18, 2017 at 11:57 am

Waaaa! Why can’t you all just accept Trump’s awesomeness? It hurts my widdle feewwings to have the Donald mocked so.

You realize that you’re doing exactly the same thing progressive did when Obama was elected right? We won! Everyone fall in line!

11 GoneWithTheWind May 18, 2017 at 1:48 pm

But you miss the point. There is no “there” there. It is all made up by Hillary and the DNC. Then it is all trumpeted by the MSM and the Democrats. Even the believers know this is a total fake conspiracy theory(s) intended to undermine Trump. It’s not as though supporters of Trump are wrong or that critics of Trump honestly believe any of this. It is 100% BS and everyone knows it. I assume (maybe I shouldn’t) that you know it as well. Don’t you find it bizarre that talking heads, news persons, officials, politicians and everyone else who is hyping this/these stories all know it is fake news and still go through the motions. Where is their moral compass? Where is their concern/love of country? Is it really worth destroying the economy and people’s lives to over throw or at least hogtie the president? There truly isn’t a single anti-Trump individual who comes on TV to support these lies who does not know this is all a scam. If you watch them you can see them smiling and smirking as they spin their lies. Bizarre is the only way to describe it. It is Alt news created by an Alt government/swamp.

12 Anonymous May 18, 2017 at 2:41 pm

Try reading a median site, like Politico, for one day.

13 JWatts May 18, 2017 at 7:45 pm

“Try reading a median site, like Politico, for one day.”

That’s a striking comment. Politico isn’t a median site. It’s average readership is distinctly to the left of even MSNBC,

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2014/10/21/lets-rank-the-media-from-liberal-to-conservative-based-on-their-audiences/?utm_term=.3b613c5be95d

I suspect that you don’t recognize your own biases.

14 Anonymous May 18, 2017 at 8:51 pm

Going by memory of this image.

https://twitter.com/DavidBrin/status/844958198352175104

If you prefer The Hill, go ahead.

15 msgkings May 18, 2017 at 1:56 pm

“Too bad they prefer to trash the president over bringing the country together”

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. (deep breath) HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Oh wait, you seriously are interested in that? Try not to hide it so much.

16 Dick the Butcher May 18, 2017 at 11:30 am

Two Scoops. Two Genders. Two Terms. Deal with it.

17 anon May 18, 2017 at 11:40 am

This quote might be going too far, but it is also evidence that Trump has had his “the emperor has no clothes” moment. It’s hard to make everyone see the clothes again, once that’s happened.

Too bad it didn’t happen sometime in the Republican primaries. It’s a much bigger mess to happen now.

18 Dick the Butcher May 18, 2017 at 11:47 am

Dishonesty, drama, and stupidity – it’s all you have.

19 anon May 18, 2017 at 11:50 am
20 anon May 18, 2017 at 12:00 pm

Hey, this one will also surprise you: I do not call for Trump’s impeachment. I don’t think there is strong enough evidence (and if he did something really bad, I’d prefer he resign and collect his pardon like a good Republican).

BUT, Poll: 48 percent want Trump impeached

That is kind of out of hand.

21 Josh May 18, 2017 at 8:05 am

Does anyone really believe that previous imperial-era presidents had a lot to add in these discussions? They are all at the mercy of their briefers.

22 Art Deco May 18, 2017 at 8:30 am

They’re not at the mercy if they have multiple information channels and officials with varying perspectives. See, for example, Brzezinski v. Vance during the Carter Administration. Also, the briefers are commonly subaltern officials without much of an agenda.

The real question is the value of the judgment of the generalist who has to adjudicate between those competing perspectives. See Kissinger on one additional point: the craftsmanship of your argument matters less than the confidence your superior has in you.

Trump has been making executive decisions in a competitive setting for decades and both Bush’s had some experience with that. Reagan, Carter, and Clinton had experience as public executives (and Reagan as a union official); Reagan had a knack for setting priorities and delegating authority. Nixon, Ford, and Obama were unprepared for executive positions.

23 prior_test2 May 18, 2017 at 9:17 am

‘the briefers are commonly subaltern officials without much of an agenda’

Apart from those that prefer Go Navy to those that prefer Go Army, for example.

24 Smash May 18, 2017 at 10:20 am

And they in turn are at the mercy of their briefers, on and on…?

25 CL May 18, 2017 at 8:14 am

Trump shows strong signs of dyslexia and ADHD. It’s like a mirror image of the article about Selim Bassoul you had yesterday. I’m embarrased that I never realized this before. Now it’s like scales falling from my eyes. So much of his seemingly strange behavior can be explained quite well with dyslexia and ADHD. This is even more important than his anger and his narcism. His anger and his narcism is a result of his dyslexia and his ADHD, not the other way round. What a tragedy, or better tragicomedy.

26 Jan May 18, 2017 at 9:17 am

Many also say dementia and/or undiagnosed Alzheimer’s.

27 Thiago Ribeiro May 18, 2017 at 9:23 am

And Amok and Saint Vittus Dance and (Hollywood movies-like) Tourette. Also small hands.

28 Pshrnk May 18, 2017 at 9:27 am

+1 Look back on his 1987 Oprah interview, interviews during the USFL days, or even snippets from Get Me Roger Stone, and you will see a man who could construct a sentence.

The pathological narcissism that would lead him to want to brag to the Russians has always been present. A younger Trump, I think, would have had enough frontal lobe function to have keep those cards closer to his vest.

29 CL May 18, 2017 at 10:28 am

@Jan
Up until yesterday I thought dementia as well. But what never really fit was that Trump has been like this since forever. I’ve seen vids about him from 30 years ago and it’s basically exactly the same guy. He got some signs of early dementia, that’s true (similar to Reagan) but I think the real underlying here is dyslexia and ADHD.

30 Daniel Weber May 18, 2017 at 10:33 am

It’s autism.

Not point at objects or things of interest, or demonstrate interest

Avoid eye contact

Want to be alone

Have difficulty understanding, or showing understanding, or other people’s feelings or their own

Repeat words or phrases over and over (echolalia)

Give unrelated answers to questions

Get upset by minor changes

Have obsessive interests

Have unusual reactions (over or under-sensitivity) to the way things sound, smell, taste, look, or feel

Have low to no social skills

Avoid or resist physical contact

Demonstrate little safety or danger awareness

Reverse pronouns (e.g., says “you” instead of “I”)

31 CL May 18, 2017 at 11:03 am

@Daniel

I can assure you it’s not autism at all. Not even close.

32 Pshrnk May 18, 2017 at 11:09 am

@CL +1

33 Art Deco May 18, 2017 at 9:22 am

He had for forty years run a business which has over $9 billion in revenues and 22,000 employees. He’s doing all right, learning disabilities and all.

34 prior_test2 May 18, 2017 at 9:43 am

And the bankruptcies were a mere bagatelle, certainly.

35 john byrne May 18, 2017 at 9:44 am

I suspect you are conflating the brand with the family business. And if the latter, pray remind me how many times he has declared bankruptcy, the failure of the AC casinos, the employees who lost jobs, the contractors defrauded, the Trump U students cheated.

36 prior_test2 May 18, 2017 at 9:54 am

‘I suspect you are conflating the brand with the family business.’

Or not (I left off the 5 and 6, as they involved publicly traded companies, and did not involve Trump having to personally give up a share of his ownership) –

‘Trump-controlled businesses have sought bankruptcy protection several times after those entities — nearly all of them casino properties — were several hundreds of millions of dollars or more in debt (although the exact number of bankruptcies tied to Trump is debatable, as his spokespeople routinely disclaim that “many of the filings occurred when Trump was no longer involved in the businesses”):

#1) Trump Taj Mahal (1991): The Trump Taj Mahal casino in Atlantic City opened in 1990, with Trump financing the completion of its construction with $675 million in junk bonds at 14% interest. By the following year the casino itself was in debt to the tune of $3 billion, while Trump himself owed some $900 million in personal liabilities.

In order to keep the Taj Mahal afloat, Trump struck a deal with his lenders in which he gave up half his ownership share and equity in the casino, sold his Trump Shuttle airline and his Trump Princess 220-foot yacht, and agreed to a bank-set limit on his personal spending in exchange for a lower interest rate and additional time to make his loan payments.

#2 and #3) Trump’s Castle and Trump Plaza Casinos (1992): Less than a year after the Taj Mahal bankruptcy Trump filed for Chapter 11 protection again for two more Atlantic City hotel-casinos, the Trump Plaza and Trump’s Castle, over their inability to make principal and interest payments on bonds. The Plaza ($550 million in debt) and the Castle ($338 million in debt) were competing against each other, as well as against the Taj Mahal, and Trump gave up a 50% share in exchange for more favorable terms on the debts.

#4) Trump Plaza Hotel (1992): Donald Trump filed for bankruptcy protection a third time in 1992 over the Trump Plaza Hotel on New York’s famous Fifth Avenue, overlooking Central Park in midtown Manhattan. Once again, Trump gave up a 49% stake in the property to secure more favorable terms from lenders on the luxury hotel’s debt of more than $550 million.’ http://www.snopes.com/2016/08/01/donald-trumps-bankruptcies/

37 Thomas May 18, 2017 at 10:00 am

Only the business illiterate believe that operating within the law, while making a profit, is indicative of someone who isn’t good at running a business. Stick to whatever non-profit tax-sucking sphere you operate in, Johnny.

38 prior_test2 May 18, 2017 at 10:14 am

Oops, Thomas seems to have read your comment better than I.

Well, for those that need reminding, it cannot hurt to point out Trump’s past performance.

39 Art Deco May 18, 2017 at 10:20 am

No, the family business is assembled in one limited corporation called the “Trump Organization”. The business as a whole has never been bankrupt. Particular enterprises the business has had a stake in have gone through re-organization and or liquidation.

40 prior_test2 May 18, 2017 at 10:42 am

Let us yet again highlight some facts from Trump’s first bankruptcy – ‘By the following year the casino itself was in debt to the tune of $3 billion, while Trump himself owed some $900 million in personal liabilities.

In order to keep the Taj Mahal afloat, Trump struck a deal with his lenders in which he gave up half his ownership share and equity in the casino, sold his Trump Shuttle airline and his Trump Princess 220-foot yacht, and agreed to a bank-set limit on his personal spending in exchange for a lower interest rate and additional time to make his loan payments.’ Do note that ‘$900 million in personal liabilities’ please. If not being able to pay your debts to your creditors is a good definition of bankruptcy, no need to try to find some way to explain Trump’s inability to pay his $900 million in personal liabilities as being something other than bankruptcy based on his personal liabilities.

41 Art Deco May 18, 2017 at 11:01 am

That’s irrelevant to my point.

42 Jack May 18, 2017 at 11:14 am

Prior_test said:

“If not being able to pay your debts to your creditors is a good definition of bankruptcy, no need to try to find some way to explain Trump’s inability to pay his $900 million in personal liabilities as being something other than bankruptcy based on his personal liabilities.”

That’s Insolvency

43 prior_test2 May 18, 2017 at 11:39 am

Insolvency is what different forms of bankruptcy attempt to resolve. There is absolutely no question that Trump was insolvent, after all. He would not have needed to make such a settlement otherwise, after all.

‘Many people often mix up the terms “insolvency” and “bankruptcy,” assuming them to mean the same thing. However, these two words, though similar, actually have different meanings. Simply speaking, insolvency is a financial state of being – one that is reached when you are unable to pay off your debts on time. Bankruptcy, on the other hand, is a legal process that serves the purpose of resolving the issue of insolvency.

Insolvency is essentially the state of being that prompts one to file for bankruptcy. An entity – a person, family, or company – becomes insolvent when it cannot pay its lenders back on time. In general, this occurs when the entity’s cash flow in falls below its cash flow out. For individual debtors, this means that their incomes are too low for them to pay off their debts. For companies, this means that the money flow into the business plus and its assets are less than its liabilities.

Typically, those who become insolvent will take certain steps toward a resolution. One of the most common solutions for insolvency is bankruptcy.’ http://www.greenwaybankruptcy.com/articles/the-difference-between-insolvency-and-bankruptcy/

But you are right, ‘If not being able to pay your debts to your creditors is a good definition of bankruptcy’ is a bit inaccurate – ‘If not being able to pay your debts due to insolvency is the reason to file bankruptcy … ‘ is certainly better in connection to Trump being personally liable for $900 million dollars in debt, and not being able to pay it back in full. Though for Trump, this is a coup involving using, brilliantly, the laws of the country, as noted here – http://edition.cnn.com/2016/06/22/politics/donald-trump-defends-bankruptcy-history/

Of course, Art Deco considers the fact that Trump’s personal liabilities were a reason for one insolvency that led to bankruptcy as ‘irrelevant’ to his writing ‘The business as a whole has never been bankrupt. Particular enterprises the business has had a stake in have gone through re-organization and or liquidation.’ Again, techincally accurate as far as it goes – Art Deco never talked about Trump’s own personal liabilities and settlement involving Trump selling property and being put on a bank mandated budget, after all. Though just in case Art Deco was unaware of just one more episode of Trump’s own personal history, now he knows.

44 Ricardo May 18, 2017 at 9:55 am

The 22,000 employees number is certainly bogus. The Trump Organization is based on a franchise model where other businesses (including Trump University and the owners of most Trump-branded properties) pay a licensing fee in exchange for use of the Trump name. The Trump Organization is a relatively small family business headed by someone famous for gaudy Atlantic City casinos and reality TV.

45 prior_test2 May 18, 2017 at 10:15 am

For some of us, ‘gaudy Atlantic City casino bankruptcies’ is more accurate, to be honest.

46 Art Deco May 18, 2017 at 10:22 am

The company is a closely-held corporation. Assessments of its revenue flows and employment come from third parties.

47 prior_test2 May 18, 2017 at 10:43 am

See above concerning Trump’s $900 million in personal liabilities concerning his first bankruptcy – maybe pointing it out the third time will be the charm.

48 Ricardo May 18, 2017 at 12:44 pm

Yes, it is a closely-held corporation, which is all the more reason to treat claims about its 20,000+ employees with a grain of salt. The Trump family’s business interests are an incredibly complex spider’s web of LLCs, subsidiaries, joint ventures, and franchise agreements with completely independent companies. There is no reason to put weight on “third party” assessments without understanding their methodology. To give just two clear examples, a building called Trump Tower being built in the Manila metropolitan area of the Philippines is 100% owned and operated by a local real estate company called Century Properties and Trump’s line of men’s wear that used to be sold in Macy’s is designed and distributed (manufacturing may yet be done under contract by other independent companies in places like China) by two major apparel companies that are completely independent of the Trump family.

49 CL May 18, 2017 at 10:25 am

@Art Deco
Read the article about Selim Bassoul. Dyslexia and ADHD do not mean that you can’t run a company. I’m not judging, you can be a great leader with both. I’m just saying that those two diagnoses totally explain his behavior. Up until then I just thought what a strange guy Trump is, but now I totally understand him. It’s just how he is coping. He never learnt it any better.

50 msgkings May 18, 2017 at 2:03 pm

ADHD I can see, based on his behavior. But do we know he has dyslexia, just because he doesn’t read?

51 Christian List May 18, 2017 at 5:19 pm

I agree that ADHD is more obvious. But people with ADHD do have dyslexia very often. It’s basically two sides of the same coin.

It’s not just the case that he is not reading, he basically said that he hates reading. He’s claiming that he does not want to read longer pieces but that’s just an act. The truth is that he is not able to. The same is true for writing longer pieces. He also hates computers and emails. Which written communication channel did he pick? The one where you had to write the very least by far: Twitter. And there his spelling errors are legendary. I see no other explanation than ADHD + dyslexia.

52 The Original D May 18, 2017 at 9:21 pm

I don’t know if he has dyslexia, but dyslexics do tend to cluster in extreme life outcomes — prison or great success. Charles Schwab is a good example of the latter.

53 Doug May 18, 2017 at 8:21 am

> Trump likes to look at a map of the country involved when he learns about a topic.

+1. If you’re really trying to understand the internal dynamics of a country, the first thing you should check is their most recent election map. That immediately gives you a good overview of who hates who. Which is pretty much 90% of what you need to know to understand a country.

54 Bliksem May 18, 2017 at 8:48 am

“If you’re really trying to understand the internal dynamics of a country, the first thing you should check is their most recent election map. That immediately gives you a good overview of who hates who.”

I can think of any number of countries where looking at an election map would tell you nothing, either because there isn’t any elections, or because the elections are merely a show in which the Dear Leader invariably gets 99.9% of the votes, and the 0.1% of the voters accused of not voting for him are sent to a re-education camp. I guess you could say that in such countries, election maps tell you that everyone is too scared of the guy in charge to say that they hate him. But you can arguably figure that out without the map.

I would agree though that it is useful to look at an ordinary world map when you’re learning about a new country.

55 Art Deco May 18, 2017 at 9:19 am

elections are merely a show in which the Dear Leader invariably gets 99.9% of the votes,

That’s true in Cuba, North Korea, and White Russia. Not too many other places.

56 Bliksem May 18, 2017 at 9:47 am

“That’s true in Cuba, North Korea, and White Russia. Not too many other places.”

That sort of thing is not exactly uncommon in e.g. Africa. An amusing example occurred in Zimbabwe back in 2008. An election was held that, against all expectations, seemed to be somewhat free and fair: Morgan Tsvangirai actually won the thing, getting 47% of the vote against Mugabe’s 43%, with the rest going to other candidates. Of course, Mugabe simply called for a second round of elections, unleashed a bit of violence to remind people who they are supposed to elect, and got a handsome 85% of the votes.

57 Art Deco May 18, 2017 at 10:53 am

Yes it is uncommon. Lots of places are governed by political machines and suffer from vote fraud, electoral violence, and other corruptions. Lots of places have abusive administrations. What’s left of the South Sudan and the former Italian part of Somalia have no electoral process. There are about a half-dozen places where the regime takes 90% of the mandates (or more). Comprehensively non-competitive ‘elections’ are atypical in Africa. (Eritrea is the only sterling example). A generation ago, posing sophisticates like Xan Smiley told the world that the one-party state was the natural embodiment of African political intelligence. They were wrong.

58 Jan May 18, 2017 at 9:18 am

Well that’s why Trump passes out the 2016 Electoral College map to everyone who visits him.

59 Pshrnk May 18, 2017 at 9:30 am

“the first thing you should check is their most recent election map.”

Oh please! With all the voter fraud election maps are useless!

60 prior_test2 May 18, 2017 at 9:42 am

Thankfully, the Inauguration figures for Trump are completely accurate, just like his claim of millions of illegal voters. Don’t trust the facts – that is for losers.

61 Thomas May 18, 2017 at 10:05 am

“There is no voter fraud, but we absolutely cannot require any identification to vote, and we absolutely cannot investigate whether voter fraud occurs, and Al Franken was elected by felons but they should be allowed to vote anyway, and illegal immigrants should be allowed to vote too, and, and, and…”

62 prior_test2 May 18, 2017 at 10:16 am

Don’t stop, tell us about Trump’s huge Inauguration too.

63 Thomas May 18, 2017 at 2:12 pm
64 It's Over May 18, 2017 at 8:25 am

Ha ha lolz, that Trump sure is a moron. Seems like there are an awful lot of leaks in Washington designed to make Trump look stupid. Isn’t the fact that so many insiders, particularly intelligence/security/state dept/blahblahblah insiders, hate Trump a sign that Trump is doing something right? I don’t recall these people covering themselves in glory with their wise counsel over the last 15 or 50 years.

65 Borjigid May 18, 2017 at 8:45 am

You’re right- insiders can’t possibly have had anything to do with the US being the preeminent global superpower for the last 15 and 50 years. There was some talk of a unipolar moment a few years ago, too.

66 Brian Donohue May 18, 2017 at 8:58 am

On behalf of the American taxpayer, I wonder if the Pentagon budget compared to other countries might have a tiny bit to do with this.

67 Art Deco May 18, 2017 at 9:17 am

See the Burdick / Lederer critique of the Foreign Service, the USIA, and the predecessor of the Agency for International Development as they operated ca. 1954. See Reuel Marc Gerecht’s critique of the CIA from his years with the agency. See Henry Kissinger’s explanation of why the NSC staff was expended at the beginning of the Nixon Administration. See also Wm. J. Casey forming a brain trust to supplement the staff of the CIA (and what surviving members of that brain trust had to say about career officers). There’s a reason to believe that these agencies have troubled intramural cultures which damage their performance and can damage it severely. However, it would appear that the performance of the nation may be fairly insensitive to the performance of its diplomatic corps and civilian intelligence services.

68 Brian Donohue May 18, 2017 at 9:41 am

You don’t have to convince me that lots of this spending was ineffective or counterproductive. It was still plenty for America to play the role of world cop for the past half-century.

69 Art Deco May 18, 2017 at 10:57 am

It was still plenty for America to play the role of world cop for the past half-century.

We’ve had combat forces in Iraq, Afghanistan, and VietNam. That’s not ‘the world’. Between 70% and 87% of American military manpower has been stationed in the United States over that time period, with most of the rest in about 4 or 5 countries.

70 Borjigid May 18, 2017 at 10:17 am

Yes Brian, the budget is important.

However, ‘It’s Over’ seemed to be saying that American insider opinion is inversely correlated with the right course of action. If that was true, no fiscal advantage could compensate.

71 Brian Donohue May 18, 2017 at 2:04 pm

Well, back to your main point, the CIA, for example, was blindisded by the collapse of the Soviet Union. It’s obvious that these folks have a vested interest in making bogeymen bigger and scarier than they are, which is why they are always wrong in the same direction.

72 TMC May 21, 2017 at 12:22 pm

+1 Brian. “they are always wrong in the same direction.”

This is a very useful method of evaluating a group or person. Everyone is wrong sometimes, but should be going in both directions.

73 The Original D May 18, 2017 at 9:34 pm

The Pentagon is the post office with nuclear weapons.

74 Skip Intro May 18, 2017 at 8:46 am

“Isn’t the fact that so many insiders, particularly intelligence/security/state dept/blahblahblah insiders, hate Trump a sign that Trump is doing something right?”

The answer to your question is no.

75 It's Over May 18, 2017 at 9:18 am

Maybe you’re right. But I’m not so ready to side with the insiders, who don’t seem particularly competent. I have a hard time seeing how anyone could have thought–to take just one example–invading Libya a few years ago was a good idea. But the insiders sure did. Just makes me wonder who the real dummies are.

76 MOFO May 18, 2017 at 9:36 am

People need to always keep in mind that information leakers have their own agenda. Why are they telling us this and not something else? What are they hoping to accomplish?

77 prior_test2 May 18, 2017 at 9:46 am

Thankfully, we have Trump to set those leakers straight. Why yes, Trump was going to fire Comey before any ‘recommendations’ showed up. And of course he discussed intelligence with the Russians.

Wait, did I say set them straight? Sorry, that should be thankfully Trump confirms what the leakers say as truth, even after the fake news media reports on those denying what Trump confirms as the truth.

78 derek May 18, 2017 at 9:38 am

There is no question who the dummies are. 9/11 was watched by multiple agencies unfold. Read Lawrence Wright. Bush had an opportunity given to him to clean out the garbage in the security agencies, but ended up giving them more power and control. Similar to the financial stuff in 2008.

The only thing that will put an end to these shenanigans is if Washington becomes afraid of the American citizenry. That is going to happen sooner or later. Best it happens sooner while the stakes are manageable.

79 prior_test2 May 18, 2017 at 9:39 am

‘invading Libya’

Wow – they did a great job keeping that invasion secret. Even deceiving wikipedia completely, since they don’t have a single word concerning an invasion when talking about this – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_military_intervention_in_Libya

80 FUBAR007 May 18, 2017 at 10:21 am

That’s because you don’t understand how the “Deep State” actually works day to day.

To be blunt, the true subject matter experts have little to no power or influence. If they stay in government, they tend to top out around the GS-13-14 level and stay there. Climbing higher–GS-15 and the SES ranks–requires playing the office politics and siding with a particular faction within the organization. (Note: office politics at this level are fragmented, petty, and idiosyncratic and often have little relationship to national-level partisan politics.) At that point, groupthink dynamics, status signaling, and jockeying for power trump sober factual analysis, determining the framing and slant of any information pushed up to politically appointed decision-makers (where the additional partisan filters kick in), including POTUS.

There’s no shortage of competence or expertise in the foreign policy, defense, and national security apparatuses. It’s just that they’re rarely listened to. They’re like the engineers in a corporate enterprise who are continually ignored and/or marginalized by the marketing and sales bullshitters who run everything. The engineers understand reality and present the facts, but the top brass are only interested in what supports their agenda.

81 joshua May 18, 2017 at 1:57 pm

“I have a hard time seeing how anyone could have thought–to take just one example–invading Libya a few years ago was a good idea. But the insiders sure did.”

Funny example, considering “outsider” Trump literally posted a video at that time advocating for said invasion. (Of course in the campaign he denied that he ever held such a position, and people believed him.)

82 Todd May 18, 2017 at 9:29 am

No doesn’t really seem strong enough, though, does it? Bigly no? Huugest no?

83 dearieme May 18, 2017 at 9:19 am

“Isn’t the fact that so many insiders, particularly intelligence/security/state dept/blahblahblah insiders, hate Trump a sign that Trump is doing something right?”

It’s not proof that he’s doing something right but it is compatible with his doing something right.

84 prior_test2 May 18, 2017 at 9:36 am

Ambassador Kisylak would like to reward you with a friendship medal for such kind words regarding how President Trump is doing something right. Bolshie supporters of the world, unite.

85 dearieme May 18, 2017 at 3:38 pm

Thank you, John Birch.

86 joshua May 18, 2017 at 2:00 pm

“Isn’t the fact that so many insiders, particularly intelligence/security/state dept/blahblahblah insiders, hate Trump a sign that Trump is doing something right?”

No. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/12/opinion/sunday/if-liberals-hate-him-then-trump-must-be-doing-something-right.html

But it might be a sign that his advisers are concerned that he doesn’t want advice and can’t be corrected and thus that leaking to the media is the only way to get his attention, since he cares more about what the press says than what they say.

http://theresurgent.com/i-know-one-of-the-sources/?utm_content=buffer3fa06&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

87 rayward May 18, 2017 at 8:26 am

Males in general are visual rather than verbal, Trump in particular if he has dyslexia and ADHD. I’ve given the example of getting oral directions to a place I’ve never been before, and driving around forever trying to find the place. By comparison, if I look at a street map I can drive right to the place. Women, on the other hand, are typically verbal (that’s why they are known for talking so much). As for boys with dyslexia and ADHD, Trump’s narcissistic behavior fits the pattern. I might mention that the difference between narcissism and bipolar disorder isn’t great. That Trump might have bipolar disorder is a scary thought.

88 Pshrnk May 18, 2017 at 9:54 am

@rayward “As for boys with dyslexia and ADHD, Trump’s narcissistic behavior fits the pattern. I might mention that the difference between narcissism and bipolar disorder isn’t great. That Trump might have bipolar disorder is a scary thought.”

Sorry, but this is incorrect.

89 msgkings May 18, 2017 at 2:11 pm

No need to apologize, but you are wasting your time trying to get rayward to not be incorrect.

90 byomtov May 18, 2017 at 8:46 am

Trump likes to look at a map of the country involved when he learns about a topic.

Well, maybe when he hears about a topic. I doubt he ever learns much.

91 The Centrist May 18, 2017 at 1:22 pm

Well, that was enlightening. Thanks for taking a break from posting at Vox.

92 Thiago Ribeiro May 18, 2017 at 8:49 am

At Mr. Burns’ mansion:

Principal Skinner: Welcome to the world premiere of The Nice Man Giveth.
Mr. Burns: [ Groans ] Focus!
Mr. Smithers: It’s a play, sir.
Nelson: Which one of these is the salt? Too bad I’m an idiot ’cause my school closed. Oh, well.
Mr. Burns: No! That’s the rat poison!
Principal Skinner: And freeze. Now, who in Springfield will eat the poisoned broth? Oh, it could be anyone. Even Mr. Burns.
Mr. Burns: This play really speaks to me.
(…)
Principal Skinner: Mr. Burns, I’ll be honest. We had a hidden agenda tonight.
Mr. Burns: [ Gasps ] No.

Read more at: http://transcripts.foreverdreaming.org/viewtopic.php?f=431&t=22095

Read more at: http://transcripts.foreverdreaming.org/viewtopic.php?f=431&t=22095

93 The Centrist May 18, 2017 at 1:24 pm

If only the Simpsons had just stopped at Season 7 — or 6 or 8, I’m not sure which — before it ran out of steam, cognitively speaking.

94 Thiago Ribeiro May 18, 2017 at 3:59 pm

I like some later episodes even if general quality was not so high anymore.

95 Edgar May 18, 2017 at 9:00 am

“According to one source, who relayed conversations he had with NSC officials.” – tells us more about Tyler, really everything you would need to know, than it does about President Trump.

96 prior_test2 May 18, 2017 at 9:33 am

It’s true, you cannot trust the fake media. Why, the media had McMasters saying that a report that had Trump discussing intelligence with the Russians was false as reported. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2017/05/16/translating-mcmasters-rhetoric-on-the-russia-leak-story/

Thankfully, President Trump was able to set the record straight, showing just how the media cannot be trusted when reporting about Trump. Who did share intelligence with the Russians in the Oval Office, if this highly placed source can be trusted – ‘As President I wanted to share with Russia (at an openly scheduled W.H. meeting) which I have the absolute right to do, facts pertaining to terrorism and airline flight safety. Humanitarian reasons, plus I want Russia to greatly step up their fight against ISIS & terrorism,’ Trump said in two tweets.’ http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4510668/Trump-CONFIRMS-shared-information-Russians.html

Truly, no one should trust the media to get anything right about Trump. Another blatant example of how the fake news media cannot be trusted is their reporting that Comey was fired due to his handling of the Clinton e-mail server affair. Yet again, it required President Trump to set the fake news media straight –

‘ HOLT: Did you ask for a recommendation?

TRUMP: What I did is, I was going to fire Comey. My decision. It was not . . .

HOLT: You had made the decision before they came in the room.

TRUMP: I was going to fire Comey. There’s no good time to do it, by the way.

HOLT: Because in your letter, you said, ‘I accepted their recommendation.’ So you had already made the decision.

TRUMP: Oh, I was going to fire regardless of recommendation.’ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/05/11/president-trump-just-decimated-the-white-houses-entire-comey-narrative/

Really, no need to read the fake news media – Trump is the best source to say what is going on. No need to trust whatever it is those reporters in the White House say they were told by government officials – clearly, the media have an agenda to get Trump. Thankfully, Trump knows how to get around the media, so everyone can all see the truth.

97 prior_test2 May 18, 2017 at 9:34 am

Or ‘see all the truth,’ as the case may be.

98 Edgar May 18, 2017 at 11:55 am

Its not “fake media,” it is the only media we have got. Breathless recounting of third hand speculation on a man’s mental state is what “journalism,” at least as that term is understood in the US, is all about.

99 Thomas May 18, 2017 at 9:55 am

“National Security Council officials have strategically included Trump’s name in “as many paragraphs as we can because he keeps reading if he’s mentioned,” according to one source, who relayed conversations he had with NSC officials.”

Rumor-mongering is now “journalism”. It is actually fake news operated by Democrat operatives (many of whom were exposed by Wikileaks getting approval for their articles from Podesta).

“We appeal to his leftist, command-economy view and his belief in the innate racism of white people to encourage him to read our briefs” would never have been published about Obama.

100 Thiago Ribeiro May 18, 2017 at 10:06 am

It is sad to see the venerable edifice of America’s constitutional order collapsing little by little.

101 Borjigid May 18, 2017 at 10:24 am

Brazil, on the other hand, will be fine, thanks to the fine efforts of politicians like Michel Temer and businessmen like Joesley Batista.

102 Thiago Ribeiro May 18, 2017 at 10:46 am

I would rather say that Brazil will be fine because it is inhabited by Brazilians. You can not really compare Brazilian public-spiritedness with American blind, bitter partisanship (“lock her up”, “Obama is a Kenyan Muslin”, “not my president”). Brazilian presidents do not use the police as a political tool. Brazilian democratic instituitions arem orking as intended.

103 Bernard Guerrero May 18, 2017 at 6:31 pm

I bet you get orked by them constantly.

104 Thiago Ribeiro May 18, 2017 at 7:57 pm

Not me, the country. Our democratic institutions ork better than this Korean-designed keyboard.

105 the paris review May 18, 2017 at 10:33 am

Jack Kerouac thought Robert Lowell was a two-bit sentimentalist.

Trump with the Economist:

Trump: Prime the pump
Economist: Yes
Trump: Have you heard that before?
Economist: Yes
Trump: Prime the pump?
Economist: Yes, it’s a bit Keynesian.
Trump: I mean, had you heard it before?
Economist: Prime the pump?
Trump: I just came up with it a few days and its rather humorfull.
Economist: It’s…
Trump: It’s a wonderful, you know, I couldn’t even tell you how I came up with it. But that’s life.

106 Daniel Weber May 18, 2017 at 12:48 pm

When you keep on screaming about things like this, Trump supporters have a little nugget of truth around which to wrap their tales of the media blowing up stupid things out of proportion.

Pay attention to the important things. Stop paying attention to the unimportant things. “Prime the pump” is an unimportant thing.

107 msgkings May 18, 2017 at 2:15 pm

It’s true it’s no big thing in itself, Trump says and tweets stupid shit like this hundreds of times a day. But at what point will it sink in on his supporters that he’s got no business being president? Even if you think Hillary would have been worse, you should now support impeachment and getting to President Pence

108 Thomas May 18, 2017 at 2:22 pm

I’d rather a Trump than a Pence. Trump is the best thing that happened to politics… ever, and he won’t get anything done, so no worries.

109 Barack Obama May 18, 2017 at 2:20 pm

“uhhh….. if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if ififififififififififif OKIEEE DOKE”

110 Anonymous May 18, 2017 at 10:44 am

On a completely unrelated note, here’s Kevin MacDonald’s chapter in TCC about Psychoanalysis:

http://www.kevinmacdonald.net/chap4.pdf

The more things change…..

111 Chip May 18, 2017 at 10:48 am

I come here for dispassionate, big picture and often contrarian thinking.

But lately it’s mostly mindless spillover from the increasingly paranoid media-Democrat complex.

Boring. I’ll check in again in a month to see if the hysteria has abated.

112 anon May 18, 2017 at 11:18 am

An alternative interpretation:

Every argument about how Trump might be clever and in control has collapsed, and now (as on this page above) the argument has become about the nature of his infirmity.

It is not surprising that this would happen in Washington DC, where everyone knows someone working on some policy that has been shaped or shredded by Trump’s behavior.

The AHCA was incredibly painful and damaging to the GOP. The Russia saga could not be put to bed, and now the bed is on fire. Of course Washington is done.

113 prior_test2 May 18, 2017 at 11:41 am

‘Every argument about how Trump might be clever and in control has collapsed’

Nobody ever seriously made those arguments, did they? Unless they knew nothing about Trump’s decades in the public eye, that is.

114 anon May 18, 2017 at 11:47 am

Nobody ever seriously made those arguments, did they?

Of course, it’s the Scott Adams argument. As well as every “Trump will soon pivot” story line.

As David Roberts correctly diagnosed, many smart people worked overtime to see smart things behind the facade. That’s over.

115 Thiago Ribeiro May 18, 2017 at 12:15 pm

You mean Trump is not a real wizard bewitching the American people? Where which is America’s excuse then?

116 Anonymous May 18, 2017 at 12:24 pm

The AHCA is the product of Paul Ryan and the Republican congress. The biggest share of the blame should be on them if you don’t like the plan, but you’ve got a bad case of Trump derangement syndrome.

I’ve also noticed there’s been an increase in the number of shills in the comment section in the last few months. Hopefully they’ll get bored and go away.

117 anon May 18, 2017 at 12:32 pm

I can explain patiently if you like. I’ll start with what I think would have been prudent behavior. If Trump wanted to fulfill a promise, no many promises, to provide better health-care, he should have directed work on a plan to do just that. That would be complex, it would take time, but it would fulfill the promises.

That did not happen. Instead Trump punted and then misunderstood, and then pushed the AHCA as something to get done in 100 days.

As the Economist interview shows, Trump still can’t explain what his plan is and how it works.

So, if you want to prove that this analysis is just my “Trump derangement syndrome” just show me the serious plan Trump found to fulfill his promises. Show me that he even understands the issues.

118 anon May 18, 2017 at 12:34 pm
119 anon May 18, 2017 at 12:36 pm

Do you believe Trump’s words here:

The state governments are in much better position to, you know, help people. In terms of, you know, just the size, the mere size of it. But we’re putting in $8bn and you’re going to have absolute coverage. You’re going to have absolute guaranteed coverage. You’re going to have it if you’re a person going in…don’t forget, this was not supposed to be the way insurance works. Insurance is, you’re 20 years old, you just graduated from college, and you start paying $15 a month for the rest of your life and by the time you’re 70, and you really need it, you’re still paying the same amount and that’s really insurance.

Is Trump smart, honest, sane, and promising us $15 per month for life? Where do I sign up?

120 Thiago Ribeiro May 18, 2017 at 4:01 pm

If you like the price of your coverage, you can keep it.

121 Jeremy May 18, 2017 at 11:04 am

I also read more carefully when my name is mentioned. And I listen more when my name is mentioned. And so do you.

And I also like to see a map of a country when discussing it (at least countries I’m less familiar with). It adds some context, makes it more real and my brain has something to attach the information to (in addition to the name).

What’s next? Are we going to analyze what it means when Donald Trump ties his shoes? There’s plenty of things more interesting about Trump, and there’s lots of topics of conversation more interesting than Trump.

122 prior_test2 May 18, 2017 at 11:44 am

Like how he likes to eat his steak? Because this article is a prime example (and I mean this in all seriousness, not as a joke) of attempting to mock Trump for no good reason at all except he was elected president – https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/food/trumps-first-dc-dinner-as-president-an-overcooked-54-steak-with-ketchup/2017/02/27/c98895b4-fd19-11e6-8f41-ea6ed597e4ca_story.html

123 Hazel Meade May 18, 2017 at 12:00 pm

Trump likes to look at a map of the country involved when he learns about a topic.

I don’t know what this is supposed to mean. You can learn a lot from a map. Road networks are informative about geography and economics.
Plus lots of people have a more visual learning style. I like looking at pictures and diagrams and charts while being presented with information, don’t you?
Or do you prefer boring text-only power-point slides?

124 Daniel Weber May 18, 2017 at 12:51 pm

It was something positive about Trump, after saying something negative about Trump.

I know people who will talk about Nigeria with no clue where it is on a map; Trump wants to engage his visual thinking while learning, and good for him.

125 Galop May 18, 2017 at 12:51 pm

Maybe I missed it in the comments, but I’ll go with the simplest explanation:
He looks at a map so he knows what the person is talking about (couldn’t pick it out on a world map alone), and he looks at a map as a proxy for engagement in the conversation. A hook to keep his mind from wandering.
Both useful devices. Its just that I’d expect them in grade school special learning programs, not the White House.

126 Sam Haysom May 18, 2017 at 2:14 pm

I am laughing at how unstable the next 7+ years are going to make you.

127 msgkings May 18, 2017 at 2:18 pm

These “7+ more years” trolls are so hacky. Obviously Trump will not get re-elected, the question is will you be sad?

128 Thomas May 18, 2017 at 2:26 pm

Really, what is the probability of Trump being reelected in your opinion? 1/5? 1/10? 1/50? I’d buy at 1/10.

129 msgkings May 18, 2017 at 2:33 pm

Great question, yeah I’d say 10% or so chance, max. Frankly I don’t think he’ll want to risk it, at age 74, having already won etc. He can retire undefeated by not running. And this assumes he makes it to the end of this term.

130 A Black Man May 18, 2017 at 7:03 pm

Kanye West

131 Sam Haysom May 18, 2017 at 6:44 pm

If they were hacky they wouldn’t get under your skin. Kind of like how I never comment on your comments unless you comment on mine because deep down you are basically a Soros-troll.

That which genuinely doesn’t bug we ignore.

132 msgkings May 18, 2017 at 7:45 pm

Not really though, I enjoy zinging you and others like you, and it burns you up inside.

133 Thomas May 18, 2017 at 2:28 pm
134 Thomas May 18, 2017 at 2:28 pm

Their money, too.

135 Barkley Rosser May 18, 2017 at 2:36 pm

Wow, 103 comments, with many declaring that all the bad things appearing in the media about Trump are fake news. And while some people brought up his bankruptcies, not a single comment laying out why he is in such deep doo doo legally at the moment in terms of a special counsel being appointed to investigate the links between his campaign and Russia, not one. No, getting worked up about why he needs to see his name in important documents all the time or he loses interest after two minutes, not to mention that he likes to look at maps of countries being discussed are what is important.

So, and I do not think any of the following is lies made up by the fake news media.

In 2009, after a particular embarrassing and damaging round of bankrupticies his son Eric let it be known that no US banks would lend him or his organization any money. Just burned too many times. But, not a problem, because various Russians were willing to do so. And we know of many who did, or who have spent lots on many of his businesses, including his real estate operations, including at least gangster who was ensconced in Trump Tower. No, the Trump org did not need any Americans lending them money, because there was plenty of this Russian money.

When asked about Vladimir Putin having political opponents and journalists criticiizing him killed, Trump responded that this showed that Putin was a strong leader, not a hint of criticism.

At the GOP convention, the one thing that the Trump people wanted changed in the platform, and they got it, was to reduce the strong support to be given to Ukraine against Russia’s annexation of Crimea and backing of the separatist movements in eastern Ukraine.

He appointed as National Security Advisor, Michael Flynn, who lied about his numerous contacts with Russian officials. He was only removed from office when it was finally publicly revealed in the fake news media that he had so lied. He has not denied doing so, and nobody else is claiming that this was a lie. He had numerous such contacts, and he lied about it, denying them even to VP Pence.

There are many other officials from the campaign who had contacts with Russian officials, especially the ambassador, and then lied about them, including the current AG, who remains in office, while some others were removed after their contacts were revealed, including Manafort, and others, with some of them, notably Manafort, having apparently received large financial payments from Russian interests.

Trump has refused to release his tax returns, unlike any other presidential candidate in the alst 40 years, and even Richard Nixon whose returns were being audited, the supposed reason Trump has given why he should not release his returns. If he did not owe lots of money to Russians, releasing his returns could establish that. Certainly his failure to release his returns is not something made up by the fake news media. He has not done so and continues not to give any remote indication that he might do so any time in the foreseeable future.

He and members of his family and his organization have been receiving money from foreigners through his hotels and business interests in clear violation of the Emoluments clause of the Constitution, We have never in our history had any president who has come anywhere close to violating this clear constitutional requirement as he has, not even remotely close.

So, just for the record, I am all for cooperating with the Russians and Putin on matters of mutual interest, just as Obama did. So, Lavrov was the key figure who helped bring about the successful end of the Iran nuclear negotiations, and I suspect that it is Putin above all who has talked Trump into not abrogating that agreement, even as he described as the “worst agreement of all time” during the campaign. It was reasonable of him to meet with Lavrov in the Oval to discuss Syria and Ukraine (and he shortly afterwards met with the Ukrainian foreign minister, although that has not been widely reported). But he certainly managed to make a botch of it, keeping the US press out and apparently spilling the beans on a sensitive intel matter, although, of course, he has the right to do so, just as he has the right to destroy all human life on the planet by pushing the nuclear button.

So, the problem with all these Russian contacts by his staff and him have not been that they happened, but all the secrecy surrounding them, the lies that that they happened, quite aside from the overwhelming evidence that Trump himself and his org are deeply in hock to numerous Russians, a fact he continues to deny and conceal by continuing not to release his tax returns.

This last one I put to all of you claiming he is this poor innocent victim of a mean and fake press. Why will he not release those returns and what conceivable justification for not doing so is there? it is not what he has claimed it is, that he is being audited. That is not it. Explain this, please, all of you people ranting about fake news. it is not fake news that he refuses to release those returns.

136 Thomas May 18, 2017 at 2:46 pm

“He and members of his family and his organization have been receiving money from foreigners through his hotels and business interests in clear violation of the Emoluments clause of the Constitution”

1. Obama violated the emoluments clause when he accepted the Nobel?

“Why will he not release those returns and what conceivable justification for not doing so is there?”

What conceivable justification is there for Trump operating as a Russian operative? In your elaborate cover-up theory is the motive simply a billionaire making some side cash? 2. Do you think he’ll start receiving 8 digit donations to his foundation from foreign countries like Hillary Clinton?

1. 2. Your fake news media never suggested Obama violated the emoluments clause nor that Hillary was a Saudi operative. Very strange, given their sterling reputation for honesty and neutrality.

137 msgkings May 18, 2017 at 3:54 pm

Again, whataboutism is all the Trumpistas have left.

By the way Obama donated the Nobel cash to charity.

138 Barkley Rosser May 18, 2017 at 3:38 pm

Trump has received and is receiving a flood of payments to his org and businesses from numerous foreign interests. Got any others on Obama besides his Nobel Prize?

As for Hillary as Saudi agent, pretty laughable. Just what did she or has she done for them that is comparable to the Trump campaign changing the GOP platform to support Russian interests in Ukraine?

Oh, and the motive for Trump to obey Russian interests is that they may have sufficient power over his org that they might be able to bring it fully crashing down, if they want. But, of course, we do not know, in the absence of those tax returns. I think both of the Clintons, as well as Obama, both of the Bushes, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixom, as well as all of 22 other people who ran for president last year have released their tax returns, and for multiple years. Where are Trump’s and why is he not releasing them? Why?

139 Just Sayin May 18, 2017 at 7:14 pm

Obama as the nobel peace prize, looking now, was not only a disgrace but a joke really. This theory that Trump is somehow in the hand of the Russian does not make any sense, unless you are willing to believe that FBI/CIA et al, are so incompetent that they would risk such an event. It would be the biggest intelligence failure since mankind discovered the wheel… Remember Comey gave the final blow on Hillary, why would he do that if Trump was in the hand of the Russians? Of course Trump has done very shady deals, including with the Russians, but Hillary is just as guilty with her foundation (ok maybe less greedy, but the same thing).

140 Ricardo May 19, 2017 at 4:16 am

It is tough to parse your argument. Is it that because the FBI and CIA have not launched an illegal coup against Trump, that this is proof of their incompetence? America’s anti-corruption laws are already very weak and apparently contain gaping holes when it comes to the President so there is a lot of behavior that is shady and unethical but that wouldn’t necessarily be illegal. It also seems to be the case that Trump was warned against hiring Flynn both by Obama personally and by members of the intelligence community but he disregarded these warnings. Ultimately, the buck stops with the President and if he surrounds himself with people who are potentially compromised, dodgy or unethical, the FBI and CIA are obligated to inform the President but are equally obligated to then accept his decision on what to do about it unless there is probable cause that the person is guilty of a crime.

141 Michael Abrahams May 18, 2017 at 6:58 pm

Thank you, Deep State, for doing your best to preserve this nation’s security.

142 Captain Obvios May 18, 2017 at 7:19 pm

In this case, you might be right 😀

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