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I miss the days of irrelevant pictures of birds near the ends of posts.

The sci-fi/fantasy list is alright, but obviously biased towards a few authors which I don't think are particularly great (Michael Crichton, Gene Wolfe, Jack Vance) while completely missing out some extremely well-acclaimed writers (Connie Willis, Lois McMaster Bujold).

4. Pringle's list is still better:
http://www.listology.com/list/david-pringles-best-100-science-fiction-novels

1. you should neg them to knock them off their pedestal?

I don't think I understand the criteria for the SciFi list - I don't think there are many people who would say that Brave New World is better than Pale Fire purely as a piece of literature, so there must be some other filter - just not sure I understand that filter and how it is weighted versus pure "literary" quality.

1) Any list of the best anything that includes a novel as terrible as Ringworld should head straight to the circular file.

2) There is nothing science fictional about The Fountainhead.

3) Any list of the best science fiction and fantasy "of all time" that fails to include Macbeth, A Midsummer Night's Dream, or The Odyssey is really a list of the best science fiction and fantasy since the mid-20th century. Technically it's a list of "novels" but if incomplete series and short story collections can be included then plays and epic poetry should count too. (Frankenstein is also in there but it's the only work on the list that dates before the mid-20th century).

Much of the advice on jury selection probably applies to lots of other situations...including in a university classroom. Seems like good advice on goal-oriented management of a group dynamic.

My wife reads SF and fantasy, and Danny Champion of the World is one of her favorite books, but when I suggested it was on a best SF and fantasy list she just gave me a funny look.

Okay, just finished reading the list. I've got to give props to him for putting Book of the Long Sun at #1, I just read that last year and it is fantastic. I don't know that I'd put it at #1, but it definitely should be up there somewhere, and seems relatively underpraised elsewhere.

On the other hand, there are SO many great authors missing completely from the list. No Brin, Brust, Leiber, Moorock, (Kim Stanley) Robinson, Simak, (Cordwainer) Smith, Willis, or Zelanzy?

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