Dulles Amazon northern Virginia cricket fact of the day

Loudoun County’s growth over the past three decades has been driven in part by Asian Americans, who have flocked there to work for AOL and other tech companies that have set up shop in the area. Today 18 percent of the district’s residents are Asian American. Nearly half of those are Indian American; between 1990 and 2010, the number of Indian Americans in the county grew by a factor of fifty. Drive past a park on a summer evening, and you’ll see cricket matches under way—the Loudoun County Cricket League has forty-eight teams and more than 1,200 players.

Here is more, via the excellent Kevin Lewis.


So there’s going to be a rapid improvement in the US national cricket team then?

The what?

The sport that, in contrast to baseball's "World Series", actually has a World Cup involving teams from around the world.

If you're suggesting that somehow cricket is a more important sport than baseball, you can get out. And if by all around the world you mean former English colonies + Sri Lanka and Pakistan, than sure, they play it all around the world. Btw, last time I checked the MLB had plenty of international players, including Shohei "Babe" Otani, and Masa "My Hero" hiro Tanaka.

Baseball's World Series is a small provincial affair compared to the Cricket World Cup. The latter, according to Wikipedia, is "the world's third largest [tournament], with only the FIFA World Cup and the Summer Olympics exceeding it. The 2011 Cricket World Cup final was televised in over 200 countries to over 2.2 billion television viewers." (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cricket_World_Cup#Media_coverage .) And then there's baseball: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Series_television_ratings .

Hey, Canada was in the World Series twice (and won both times!)

Also, while far more people watch cricket than baseball, the relative quality of the two fanbases is pretty different. For example, hardly any baseball fans crap outside in the open. Maybe a few Dodger fans

msgkings .........
..............".the relative quality of the two fanbases is pretty different--------------------"

I had always been impressed by the relative quality and maturity of your comments till now.......

Relax Anon, trash talking about sports is a bit less serious. I don't really think Dodger fans crap outside (they use litter boxes).

Cricket fans are far likelier to wash their hands before eating though, unlike baseball fans. They are far less likely to use paper each time they clear their bowels. And they are much more faithful to their spouses, engage in less street crime, and drink less alcohol than baseball fans.

Ha ha, I keep waiting for baseball to die in the USA (like after the 1994 strikes) or how it's boring to millennials but for some reason it keeps on chugging, and the sheep keep on buying tickets to the games.

You realize there is literally a World Baseball Classic involving teams from around the world?

Some countries from the Americas and some from Asia ; far smaller percentage of world population compared to cricket.
If you can get china involved to the extent that japan is , of course it could be different ......

Moving the goal posts Anon, because not enough (in your eyes) countries CHOOSE to participate, it is not a valid championship.

Quite amusing that Prof. Cowen reads the excellent Kevin Lewis, and does not mention the headline of the article - 'The Untapped Potential of the Asian Voter'

Maybe this is a test to see how many people actually read links.

Though the Washington Monthly might benefit from better copy editors - it is extremely unlikely that the Democratic Asian Americans of Virginia organization held a voter registration event at a Vietnamese strip mall in 2016. Though who knows? Trump is still telling us about the millions of illegal voters in 2016 - https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/a-rambling-trump-tosses-out-the-script--literally--in-w-va/2018/04/05/c8d86c72-38e9-11e8-acd5-35eac230e514_story.html - and maybe the Washington Monthly is just helping our current president out. Amazing how far the Vietnamese have come economically, though - that mall looks like it could be in Northern Virginia.

I'm so outraged that Tyler picked the interesting bit out of a boring demographic politics article!

If you say so - I thought by far the most interesting bit was how a Northern Virginian mall had been magically transported to Vietnam, though it is unlikely that the excellent Kevin Lewis had anything to do with that. Or that Prof. Cowen, assuming he even noticed it, found it interesting, as is his privilege of course. Because to be honest, it must be extremely easy to confuse Northern Virginia with Vietnam, especially in light of Prof. Cowen's local experience with strip malls offering SE Asian ethnic food.

Still not sure where the outrage is supposed to come from, though.

For those who haven't been paying attention, "If you say so" is clockwork's latest favorite rhetorical phrase. It's a quick way for him to brush away somebody else's point.

Or it is a way for me to (at least to a certain rhetorical extent) politely disagree, because to repeat for the third time, the most interesting thing in the Washington Monthly piece in my eyes was placing a Northern Virginian mall in Vietnam.

And odd as it may sound, people are welcome to their opinion, even if I do not agree with it. Which is not the same, at least I would have thought, as brushing away somebody else’s point. Different people have different opinions - so what?

"For those who haven’t been paying attention, “If you say so” is clockwork’s latest favorite rhetorical phrase. It’s a quick way for him to brush away somebody else’s point."

Yes, it translates as I'm going to ignore your good point, instead of acknowledging and addressing it.

I like how he thinks his sarcastic supercilious bad faith argumentation is 'polite'

So, for the fourth time, here is the point following dan1111's comment about how Prof. Cowen had chosen 'the interesting bit out of a boring demographic politics article!'

And here is my response - 'If you say so – I thought by far the most interesting bit was how a Northern Virginian mall had been magically transported to Vietnam....'

This does not seem to be about ignoring a good point instead of acknowledging and addressing it. Possibly because this is not the first time that some exotic sport has appeared in the DC region due to international relations. Hard as it might be to imagine, but if Prof. Cowen had been in DC in the later 80s, he would have likely been equally amazed at the number of people playing soccer around the Mall, in large due to America's ongoing involvement in Central American wars. And who knows, maybe many people unfamiliar with DC would have been amazed at the connection being brought to light.

I realize that most commenters here have absolutely no connection to Northern Virginia or DC, so it understandable that such excellent reporting from Kevin Lewis might seem interesting. I think it is pretty much boring. It would be like writing that DC has this amazing event every spring because of its connections to the the Far East, to a land still ruled by an emperor descended from divine beings (sound exotic enough?) If you are from the DC region, you already learned about this as a school kid (or you certainly did in decades past) and it is quite possible you attended one or more of the events marking this festival, apparently quite unknown in the rest of the U.S,.

That Eden Center (which I assume was the mall in question) was magically transported to Vietnam by a local DC magazine is hilarious. A strip mall mentioned here, 10 years ago - http://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2008/10/tyler-cowen-on.html

(And that Prof. Cowen pretty much decided to use one of the Washington Monthly's standard features to eastablish his 'brand' just adds to the ironic amusement of using 'Vietnamese' to describe a mall in the U.S. Falls Church has not turned into Little Saigon, even if the area near the GMU Law School used to be called that, before it became too pricey due to development, in part due to Metro.)

prior, you don't think we read your long-ass posts do you? You ruined it with your tone and obsessions. Go ahead, try it for the fifth time, makes no difference.

High-quality immigrants *and* from a sh*thole country? That's something everybody can get behind.

Same as in O' Fallon, MO [Global Ops Centre for Mastercard]

00's of Indian Nationals on H1B visas with their own amateur cricket league.

the civilising influence of cricket reaches even as far as the United States!

I will remain agnostic re all news about “civilizing” brought to my attention by a “stasi”.

Also, I sort of liked "Slumdog Millionaire."

Look at where we are. For centuries the World has benefited from civilzing influence of cricket, soccer, and watching paint dry.

On the other hand, the civilizing influence of rugby cannot be overstated.

> "Drive past a park on a summer evening, and you’ll see cricket matches under way"

Somewhere around Oxbridge, some toff is probably feeling hurt and offended to hear about this brazen act of cultural appropriation. Next time, please post a trigger warning. Toffs have feelings too, you know.

Not many Americans know this. But America had a pretty strong Cricket team for a brief period between 1895 and 1913, based out of Philadelphia. The team was in existence between 1878 and 1913, during which it played 88 first class matches winning 29, losing 45 and drawing 13. Which is a very good record given that several of these matches were against close-to-full strength England XI, Aus XI and strong county teams in England. The team toured England in 1897, 1903 and again in 1908, while the English team toured Philadelphia in 1901.

One of their cricketers, Barton King, was one of the greatest cricketers of his day, who is regarded by some critics (Ralph Barker notably) to have been one of the ten greatest bowlers prior to WW 2. Barton King played in 65 first class games during which he averaged 20 with the bat and 16 with the ball. That bowling average was on par with the finest bowlers in Australia and England during that time. Bart King is one of the true legends of the game!

More on him here....


Barton King also contributed greatly to the game's technique, as he was one of the first bowlers in the world to specialize in swing bowling - the art of swerving the cricket ball in the air. He used to do it at will with both the old ball and the new ball. Very novel at the time.

A lot of the great bowlers who preceded KIng (Spofforth, Lohmann), as well as King's contemporaries (Lockwood, Richardson, Ernie Jones), either relied on seamers / cutters or raw pace. King changed the game by bringing in swing into the equation. One of the reasons why he was very successful in English conditions, which aid swing bowling tremendously. The game of cricket is in his debt.

A lot of very fine swing bowlers in the 1920s/30s followed in Bart King's wake soon after his career - Maurice Tate (England), Ted McDonald (Aus), Tim Wall (Aus).

Thanks, very interesting comments.

Thanks. Here's a comment on King by Pelham Warner - a former England Captain who played in early 20th century and later a powerful administrator of English cricket during the 20s-30s.

When asked to name the greatest bowler that ever lived, he said - "Barton King, at the top of his power and speed, was at least the equal of the greatest of them all".

Very high praise for a cricketer, who played during the much acclaimed Golden Age of Cricket (which lasted from 1890s to 1914).

Apparently we were strong in Rugby as well before American Football diverged too greatly and became too popular.

Am I the only one who associates cricket with former colonies, a game popularized by the colonizers and now played by the colonized.

It is still a very popular sport in England during the summer. Though behind soccer. But still regarded as THE summer sport.

Australia - Cricket is the No 1 sport. The Australian cricket captain is regarded as the second most important Australian after the Prime minister.

India / Pakistan / SL - Well, not much needs to be said. Cricket has no competition really.

Bangladesh - It is jointly the most popular sport along with soccer.

New Zealand : The most popular summer sport. But behind Rugby.

South Africa : No 1 summer sport. And probably 2nd behind Rugby.

Caribbean : Used to be the No 1 sport. The only sport that the Islands play as "West Indies" as opposed to separate nations. But the game has declined in the islands over the past 20 years.

Careful on 'Caribbean' - Cuba or Haiti have never had much of an interest in cricket. Most likely because they were never part of the British Empire.

It’s not too late for the ideological basketcase and the economic basketcase to sign up and experience the benefits!

Of cricket? I'm pretty sure that Cuban baseball players will remain in higher demand - and much better paid - than Cuban cricket players in any foreseeable future.

The Australian cricket captain is regarded as the second most important Australian after the Prime minister.

If Trump fires him, Mueller can investigate Aussie cricket cheats.

And for laughs you can throw both the Netherlands and Afghanistan into the mix. The latter just edged out Ireland for qualification to the next IDI World Cup

This is true in Detroit, also. We even have an Indian candidate for governor:

Bah! Only once in my cricket career was I "on a hat trick" and my lovely delivery was edged to first slip for a routine catch. And the bloody Indian at first slip dropped it. Will I ever forgive him? Not bloody likely.

Other Indian cricketers, however, have my best wishes.

for the readers here , you should probably explain what a "hat trick" is. Probably equivalent for a baseball pitcher to get three consecutive batters out , each on his first pitch to them.

You are correct, sir.

If there is ever an excuse to recommend Joseph O'Neill's "Netherland" I jump to it. It's MacGuffin is trying to popularize cricket in America, but there is so much more there.

As a graduate student at the University of Chicago in the 1970s, I participated once only in a game of cricket: Department of Linguistics vs. the Oriental Institute. We were instructed in what to do by someone from the Subcontinent; as it turned out, I did nothing but stand in the outfield while nothing happened nearby. I don't think the game ran to completion, and that was my department's only foray into athletics while I was there.

“I did nothing but stand in the outfield while nothing happened nearby.”

Congratulations, you’ve played cricket. (Is it really named after the sound of crickets drowning out the sound of nothing-happening-punctuated-by-the-crack-of-a-bat?)

I have a working hypothesis that young white people are moving to cities basically to avoid asian immigration.

You do see some asian faces in the Shaw area but it not representative of the DC area population.

More particularly, it ins't all representative of new arrivals to the DC area.

AS long as you are willing to accept a high tax rate, whites don't really compete with blacks in DC. The redistribution is largely hidden.

In Loudoun, however, that is not the case. You're losing out the Asians everyday. Which is a good thing.

Personally I prefer Shaw but Loudoun is much more the classic American dream.

The problem with your hypothesis is you presume everyone is as racist as you.

here is the sociology question I have since I read the article below. Why is this the case?

"While watching a recent championship finals tournament at John A. Phillips Park, Gaje pointed out most of the players are in their 30s and 40s."


The 50x thing, while still noteworthy, is less astonishing when you realize that the population of the county overall quadrupled over the same time frame. Also that they were <1% of the population of the county in 1990.

The lumping together of all Asian Americans continues to be non-informative. Indians and Pakistanis are quite distinct culturally and ethnically from North East Asians (Chinese, Japanese, Koreans) who in turn differ substantially from immigrants from SouthEast Asia (with the exception of Singapore). And of course we ignore the international differences which are greater than that between European countries, but I leave that aside. At the minimum, Indians vs Chinese is as great a difference as that between Arabs and black Africans.

This is not a bad article, but it doesn’t dive into the issue that many Asian Americans don’t fall into the party buckets very well. They tended to be more Republican until immigration took over as an issue. Now the Democrats assume minority = our side, but a lot of Asian Americans tend to resent things like affirmative action, high taxes and the more extreme versions of liberal trade and social policies.

It’s one thing to court Asian Americans by knocking on doors and showing up at events, but unless the candidates are willing to break with the underlying trends of the parties then I wouldn’t expect any major shifts.

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