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'Until the parks are bugged'

Well, assuming anyone in one has a smart phone, that seems a pious wish at best.

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1. I can absolutely believe that, although I'm glad the article mentions that retention was and probably still is a problem. The number of actively participating members of the church is much lower than the number on the membership roll, even in Utah (about 60% of Utahns are members, but only about 41% are active members).

It's a pity they tend to follow a strict seniority rule. Uchtdorf (one of the Apostles, from Germany) would make an excellent President of the church.

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#3: is it just Midwestern cities? The Baltimore accent seems to be dying out, too. I'm not sure about Boston, New York, and New Jersey accents, though.

I was in Boston for a convention. Talking to someone I just met, I commented on another's strong southside Boston accent. He said he was from there too, but didn't have the accent. He said some do and others don't, and had no idea why.

Same conversation in South Carolina a few years ago. Two locals of similar background - one with a heavy accent, one without. Sometimes that even played out within families. I think it matters how much you identify with your region.

It depends on how much tv you watch. Too much TV and you sound like everyone else that watches too much TV.

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There is actually some debate about whether city and regional accents are receding, flat (that's a joke), or getting stronger.

I think it varies quite a bit by accent. Few would argue that NYC's is getting stronger or even holding steady. But I've read some say that the Northern/Great Lakes regional accent (the vowel shift one) is holding strong and even growing to affect more sounds. I tend to agree with this--when I go back home to Michigan, among those with a noticeable accent, it certainly seems as strong as ever. The one overarching change may be that accents are more of a working class phenomenon than they were in the past.

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When the article said, "We don't say 'yinz', our parents say 'yinz'," I just thought about where I grew up, and how the older people would say "warsh" while the kids all said "wash."

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5. When did conservatives become radicals? Let's just blow the whole thing up and start over. More of a recipe for disaster than "reform". Here's an essay from today's NYT urging liberals to forget radical and adopt the incremental approach that combines the best of conservative and the best of liberal: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/13/opinion/moynihan-liberals-progressives-lost.html I've commented before on the Libertarian-Authoritarian Axis. Was that inevitable? I'm a liberal who favors order and stability, very much conservative preferences in times past. Now, conservatives and libertarians seem to have lost their minds.

They are not conservatives. Eric Posner is not the same person as Richard Posner.

Father and son. What's odd is that Richard Posner (the judge and co-host of the Becker-Posner blog) has become much more of a liberal, while son has become more of a radical, not only as reflected in this book, but by his views on surveillance, about which he said that Americans obtain the services they want (Facebook for instance) by disclosing private information to strangers. It could be that son makes the same observation that I do (users of Facebook place a low value on their personal information) or it could be that he is part of the Libertarian-Authoritarian Axis.

You can’t just say “father and son.”

Eric Posner is a creature of the left. He’s also nuts.

Own it. Denying it is so weak and responding to your revealed ignorance with “father and son” is disgusting.

He was the guy who defended Bush's right of keeping people jailed indefinitely without proving guilty. https://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/25/opinion/25posner.html

He also consistently supports an imperial presidency.

He’s a consistent leftist who desires an autocrat.

That this confuses you guys is worrying.

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3. Yo, say what?

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3. Faaaaargo! Say what you will about mid-westerners. They left and moved to the west coast of Florida. Why did midwesterners move to the west coast of Florida and northeasterners move to the east coast of Florida? I suppose the simple answer is that I-75 ended up on the west coast and I-95 ended up on the east coast. I once told my midwestern (Wisconsin) friend that midwesterners and southerners (that would be me) are alike in that both are polite. He responded that there is a difference: with midwesterners, it's sincere.

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3. The article claims the most segregated cities in the US are in the midwest. And I suppose since the number 1 and 2 most segregated cities Chicago and Detroit you can tar the whole midwest with that brush and still claim technical accuracy, but look who else makes the top 15 most segregated cities: Washington/Arlington/Alexandria/DC; Baltimore; Philadelphia; Atlanta, New Orleans. https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/realestate/the-16-most-segregated-cities-in-america/ss-AAozfco#image=2

As a side note, with Democrat control of nearly all these segregated places, can we just come out and say Democrats are racists?

But getting back to the midwest, it might also be noted that many midwestern cities are highly diverse and continue to be more so. St. Louis, for example, took in large numbers of Bosnian Muslilm refugees and this transformed entire neighborhoods. Indeed 5 of the 10 US states that have taken in the most refugees per capita are midwestern: http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/12/06/just-10-states-resettled-more-than-half-of-recent-refugees-to-u-s/ft_16-12-02_usrefugees_percapita/

The author seems to think regional accents are associated with blue collar jobs. No. As Hillary Clinton is so quick to demonstrate whenever visiting somewhere outside Manhattan, they can be used by even Ivy League graduates.

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1- For obvious reasons.

And they're the *best* Mormons!

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Ulisses Soares is non-white?

Off-white, I think, but Blacks can be part of the pristhood now anyway. Brazil has become the Rome of Protestantism, the Mecca of Protestantism even. It will become a Protestant country in a few years and it built a replica of Solomon's Temple. Some people believe Brazil is the new Jerusalem.

>Some people believe Brazil is the new Jerusalem.

This is the most bizarre comment on this blog’s bizarre comments section.

In the context of Mormonism, where BF Missouri is the new Jerusalem and marrying off 14 year old girls as the 20th wife of a middle aged prophet is seen as anything but a sex crime, it's positively pedestrian.

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5. I think these guys discount the public value of social capital. Do you just kick people out of their homes and communities and think it:s all good? If you keep scattering large numbers of people to the wind are they going to just build new social networks? It takes years, maybe decades, to build social networks.

I say, "bad idea".

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Didn't know this about "marginal revolution" from this
quote in the first chapter:

This idea came to be called competitive common ownership
and was a core dogma for many of the figures who shaped
twentieth--century economic thought. Two of the three
fathers of the great advance in economic thought known as
the "marginal revolution" (William Stanley Jevons, Léon
Walras, and Karl Menger) were deeply skeptical of private
property. Jevons wrote, "Property is only another name
for monopoly." In his treatise on the social economy,
Walras stated, "Declaring individual land ownership
. . . means . . . thwarting the beneficial effects of
free competition by preventing the land from being used
as is most advantageous for society." Walras believed
that land should be owned by the state and the rents it
generated should be returned to the public as a "social
dividend," either directly or through the provision of
public goods. By ending "individual landownership and
monopolies" he aimed to "suppress" the "true causes
. . . of . . . feudality."

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There are only three states that have an accent in the Midwest: Nortrh Dakota, South Dakota and Minnesota. The rest of us have never had an accent.

This is silly, there is definitely a Chicaaaago accent. Just look up the SNL skit 'Da Bears guys', but there's a ton of other examples (Melissa McCarthy, Chris Farley, Dan Aykroyd in the Blues Brothers/Tommy Boy, etc.)

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Re #1: this data is church provided and is highly suspect. First of all, members in Brazil while numerous on paper, have extremely low levels of activity. As in, they get dunked and then disappear. A lot of that is cultural in nature: they get friendly with the missionaries and don't want to turn them down or disappoint them. But once the missionaries convert them, they move on to convert other people and the new "mormons" disappear because they were never interested in being mormon in the first place. And then they're kept on the rolls until they're 110 per church policy.

It needs to be part of the style guide for news organizations that numbers this church provides is not the same as numbers most other churches provide. The 16M number is basically, the number of people who met with the missionaries for all of their lessons and let the missionaries baptize them. The number of people who consider themselves Mormon (e.g., sometimes attend a service, baptize their children in the church, tell pollsters they're a Mormon when asked their religion, etc.) is roughly 1/3 the 'official' membership numbers worldwide but much less so in Latin American countries.

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