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#2 - People like bees because they only sting as a last resort - they die generally if they do sting. Also, bees pollinate AND make honey, which humans like.

Wasps seem to sting indiscriminately, and at will. Further, they might pollinate flowers, but what are they doing with the pollen? Hoarding it? Dumping it in lakes and rivers? I'll tell you what they're not doing: making delicious syrups for human beings.

Finally, and this is only from my personal experience, wasps make their nests in camouflaged and inconvenient locations, like on the ground under a pile of leaves that you will step on and get stung 30 times right before leaving for the airport to get on an international flight. Know what I mean?

"2. Why are wasps less popular than bees?"

Honey.

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Alternate take: Wasps are more likely to build nests in annoying places like under your deck, under the eaves of your roof, etc.

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I asked an exterminator what his favorite species was to kill.

His answer was wasps. They are mean, he said.

Lots of YouTube's of people hand-feeding paper wasps.

https://youtu.be/kV7chsuTiKM

"Wasps ate the biggest, brownest and best parts of the chicken at every Sunday meal."

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Stepped on a yellow jacket next 3 weeks ago. Was lucky to only have a half dozen stings. Chemical warfare ensued - the wasps lost.

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NYT : Wasps dump pollen in lakes and rivers. Women and minorities hardest hit.

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Amen! The interesting fact/puzzle isn't explaining why people dislike wasps more than bees, it's the realization that wasps are pollinators, too. Until realizing that, I just thought they were the biggest a-holes of the arthropod family who deserved to die by any means necessary.

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Generalized: from the perspective of human symbiosis with the environment, wasps are strictly inferior to bees, for all the reasons indicated here.

This means in a world without bees, humans would regard wasps higher, but with them their attitude is screw wasps, protect the bees.
Nothing in the article provides any reason to believe this view is not correct.

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2. A conversation last week. My mom described how her foot swelled up after a wasp sting. Her doctor told her that it likely was an infection. He said that bees land on flowers, wasp land on everything.

4. Well now. It looks like the only way to get tenured idiots to stand on their hind legs and defend free speech is to sue them. I have the right to compare someone to Hitler!!!

The suit against Wilfred Laurier is in support of Lindsay Shepherd. The blithering stupidity on display at that place needs to be challenged, and someone like Peterson willing to take the heat allows space for less vigorous individuals to take a stand.

In US law, I'm pretty sure you do have the right to compare someone to Hitler, especially a public figure. IANAL, but as best I can tell, he'd lose all those cases if they went to court, and he should.

Lots of his critics, like lots of the chattering classes everywhere, are dishonest and lazy, so they say crap like "he's an incel white-nationalist" when they really can support something more like "some very small fraction of his fans are incels and some other very small fractions are white nationalists, but I really don't like him so I'm going to smear him with both labels." This shouldn't lead to the speaker being sued, but it should lead sensible people to discount things she says in the future.

The suit was filed in Canada, which has less protection than the US.

I believe it was the context of the accusations. Shepherd was accused of showing to a class a video that contravened the Ontario law. The video was Peterson on TVO, Tv Ontario, a public broadcaster. It wasn't as you describe, a public figure being described.

What he is doing, from what I understand, is trying to force Wilfred Laurier to deal with the ridiculous practices that they publicly decry but continue to occur.

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Calling someone who is married with children an "incel" is obviously false, so it might support a defamation claim even by a public figure.

FWIW, IAAL.

If it's obviously fake it can't be defamation.

Like albatross, JP's enemies are liars, but those lies are all opinions are protected speech in any country that values freedom. Canada doesn't.

That only applies if it's metaphysically false, like accusing someone of being Satan or Hitler, not when minimal research is required to confirm falsity. Someone who didn't know anything about Peterson's personal life might believe that he is an incel.

A more accurate statement, legally and analytically, would be to say that a pure statement of opinion can't be a lie, because it can't be true or false. If a statement can be shown to be true or false, then it is a statement of fact, and potentially defamatory. Saying I'm stupid would be an opinion, saying that I don't have a law degree would be false.

'Someone who didn't know anything about Peterson's personal life might believe that he is an incel.'

They might also believe Peterson is a liar. Though when such a statement is true, it is hard to see it the way Peterson does in this tweet - 'Iordan Peterson is a University of Toronto psychology professor, bestselling author, culture warrior, YouTube celebrity, and a growing presence in Canadian conservative politics. The one thing he is most certainly not is a member of the Kwakwaka’wakw people of British Columbia. That claim, however, has appeared several times in Peterson’s bios—which state that he has been “inducted into the coastal Pacific Kwakwaka’wakw tribe.” It appears in social-media posts, and it was referred to again this week, when Peterson tweeted at Pankaj Mishra, who wrote a critical piece about him in The New York Review of Books:

You say “Peterson claims that he has been inducted into ‘the coastal Pacific Kwakwaka’wakw tribe’ Just what do you mean by “claims” you peddler of nasty, underhanded innuendo, you dealer in lies and halftruths?'

Peterson’s connections to the Kwakwaka’wakw people derive from his friendship and traditional bonds with the family of Charles Joseph, an accomplished Kwakwaka’wakw carver from Ma’amtaglia-Tlowitsis tribe. Earlier this year, I spoke to Charles Joseph—who confirms that Peterson is not a member of the Kwakwaka’wakw people nor the Ma’amtaglia-Tlowitsis tribe. https://thewalrus.ca/the-story-behind-jordan-petersons-indigenous-identity/

And though Peterson no longer has this text on his web site, luckily readers here can enjoy making up their own minds of how Peterson presented himself (from my very first introduction to Peterson) - 'Raised and toughened in the frigid wastelands of Northern Alberta, Jordan Peterson has flown a hammer-head roll in a carbon-fiber stunt plane, piloted a mahogany racing sailboat around Alcatraz Island, explored an Arizona meteorite crater with a group of astronauts, built a Native American Long-House on the upper floor of his Toronto home, and been inducted into the coastal Pacific Kwakwaka’wakw tribe.' https://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2017/03/whos-complacent.html

Wow! Almost as accomplished as L. Ron Hubbard.

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If I call you a fat liar, potentially you aren't fat and I'm stating a fact, unless we're on a fitness forum, you have no damages.

I get that it sucks that I say mean things, and I wouldn't like it if you were calling me a fat sack of crap every day, but a regime where I get to sue someone for hurting my feelings is broken.

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I don't know about in Canada but the main case they talk about is pretty bogus. The "incel white nationalist" one I think he would win even in the U.S. though, which is probably why the defendant caved even though she continues to throw shade

Yeah, it's outrageous that he would respond to the comments highlighted in the article by threatening a defamation suit.

The suit against Wilfrid Laurier also seems to lack any legitimate basis. The comments that I have seen reported were also opinions, and not intended to be public in any case. Wilfrid Laurier's actions in disciplining a TA seem problematic, but that doesn't mean there is any basis for a defamation suit.

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> someone like Peterson willing to take the heat allows space for less vigorous individuals to take a stand

Correct. He has uncowed many. Let's hope it continues.

You too, hun?

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#2. Bees make delicious honey, and wasps don't. Duh. Why is this even a question?

Exactly, that tasty honey hits us in the most ancient feedback circuits of our meatbodies.

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Cock Piss Partridge

Can anyone explain what this means?

Unfortunately I do
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XpgA3Mttx1M

Don't click that link. That's not the real JWatts. You probably don't want to go where ever that is.

Cock Piss Partridge

By cock do you mean woodcock? Because both woodcocks and partridges are birds.

Hominy - Hominy is a food produced from dried maize (corn in the U.S.) kernels that have been treated with an alkali, in a process called nixtamalization ("nixtamal" is the Nahuatl word for "hominy").

y'all got a long way to go

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Art Deco complained one day that some masked vandal had written Cock Piss Partridge on his car one night while his wife was, you know...

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That and wasps are aggressive bastards that want to eat your food and attack you.

Unlike bees, which are not those things.

("Ecologist stunned that not everyone prioritizes ecological utility before all other things.")

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What do you expect from someone with mead in their name?

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4. Let's not, and say we did.

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#4: not a great look. Especially because I don't think Bloomsburg professors even take themselves seriously, so I'm not sure why Peterson would, either.

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"4. Should JP be threatening to sue for defamation?"

No, not generally.

JP seems to have passed some time ago into Tyler's 'overrated' category. A victim of Youtube/Twitter Treadmill Syndrome.

What is that? You become famous on Youtube/Twitter/Patreon etc. You get a huge amount of donations/clicks/whatever. Now you gotta keep finding new ways to get those clicks/donations/likes/retweets etc. Scrape the bottom of the barrel to find new things to get outraged over every day. Keep yourself in the news with stunts, like suing an academic who criticized you while demanding everyone else respect your free speech. In Peterson's attic is a portrait of Alex Jones that gets a bit thinner and has a bit more hair every time JP gains another follower.

In the meantime, JP's ideas are starting to look frayed. Recently he was asked straight up whether or not he believed in God. His answer was none of us know what they really believe and absent us having our brains constantly scanned by an MRI, what we believe is a mystery....although there's no question what he believes about neo-marxism/postmodernism/ or whoever it is he says is destroying civilization these days.

I take it Peterson's 15-minutes of fame are coming to an end.

You guys are dreaming. Tyler mostly avoids Peterson directly, but surely you have noticed a renewed interest in psychometrics from our genial host lately.

Peterson supporters are giving him $1 million+ per year at this point. The idea that an obscure Professor has been playing a long game for decades in order to dupe people into making him rich in 2017 is, well, feel free to believe that story if it makes you feel better. He's just getting started.

JP might be tired from all the speeches and a punishing circuit tour.

Or the diet Peterson's daughter recommended is maybe not as helpful as he believed - 'Yes. Now I literally eat just beef. Which sounds insane. But I listened to somebody on the Joe Rogan Experience podcast who had been eating only meat for a couple years, and he hadn’t died. It’s called the carnivore diet. When I went down to only beef, everything got better. As for my dad, he started taking antidepressants in his late 30s. He said lecturing became really difficult and winters were really awful. I convinced him to go to all meat this past April, and he felt better. It took him like three days. Even what he talks about changed. Instead of talking about all the terrible things that are going to happen—which is what it feels like when you’re anxious— he’s now much more positive. You can even see in online interviews that he’s different. A lot less doomy.' https://torontolife.com/city/life/qa-mikhaila-peterson-daughter-jordan-peterson-beef-diet-dads-overnight-fame/

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Who knew that Toronto Life would not be suitable to link to here?

Or the diet Peterson's daughter recommended is maybe not as helpful as he believed - 'Yes. Now I literally eat just beef. Which sounds insane. But I listened to somebody on the Joe Rogan Experience podcast who had been eating only meat for a couple years, and he hadn’t died. It’s called the carnivore diet. When I went down to only beef, everything got better. As for my dad, he started taking antidepressants in his late 30s. He said lecturing became really difficult and winters were really awful. I convinced him to go to all meat this past April, and he felt better. It took him like three days. Even what he talks about changed. Instead of talking about all the terrible things that are going to happen—which is what it feels like when you’re anxious— he’s now much more positive. You can even see in online interviews that he’s different. A lot less doomy.' https://torontolife.com/city/life/qa-mikhaila-peterson-daughter-jordan-peterson-beef-diet-dads-overnight-fame/

Strange, not unusual to see a delayed double post - we all take smoothly running systems for granted.

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"Peterson supporters are giving him $1 million+ per year at this point"

This is not a very impressive reason to consider Peterson holding cutting edge truths. Gwyneth Paltrow probably clears beyond $1M+ a year. I guess we should say she is overturning medical knowledge with her 'vaginal egg' and magic creams.

No, but it does suggest staying power. He won't be waved away and dismissed by lesser souls who think they have the measure of him, try as they might. This is the new media.

Paltrow has a more lasting business model. You have to provide a product rather than just more of yourself. Peterson's millions of hits and what are essentially donations to him can evaporate into nothing tomorrow.

Expect the shift into magic creams, essential oils, and assorted 'lifestyle products' that let him earn a living while not actually having to come up with new Tweets to happen over the next few years.

I already grokked your vapid prediction for Peterson. Wishful thinking. Somehow, you think Gwynneth Paltrow's existence is relevant.

"No, but it does suggest staying power. "

This is probably even less impressive a reason to be impressed with someone than the fact that he makes $1M+ per year. That little bit of gummy dirt that refuses to leave the corner of my bathtub also has staying power. At least in the short term of our lifetime entropy's power is highly overrated. Once you're here it's pretty hard to get totally kicked off the stage.

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I think JP is best seen as as self-help guru. There's a long tradition of that sort of thing in American culture. He's probably sincere in his advice and probably somewhat insincere in his public statements, since he's got to care about keeping his position as a top self-help guru. (Thus, he doesn't want to offend religious people that are a big chunk of his base, but also doesn't want to offend rationalist/atheist types who are also a fair chunk of his base.)

The thing is, it's pretty rare for a self-help guru to also be a deep philosophical thinker--those are different callings. My impression is that he's tried to do both of those, but I think his talents lie more in the self-help/giving good advice to kids area.

On the self-help thing, he seems a lot less snake-oily than most. His self-authoring and future authoring stuff sounds like there is some real substance and rigor there. According to some trials they did in the Netherlands, this stuff is really useful for males, particularly ethnic minorities. This effort alone is worth a place in the public conversation.

I actually find his combination of practical, boots-on-the-ground programs and synthesis of so many leading thinkers and writers over the centuries to be unique in our time. I've read a reasonable chunk of what might be called the sprawling Western canon, and I've never seen anyone pull together diverse strands like Peterson. There is way more than 15 minutes to this guy.

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Agree.

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I would characterize him as a self-help writer and speaker with high intellectual content. Just as some preachers and politicians--and some bloggers, for that matter--have more intellectual content to their routines and some less, so with self-help gurus. If he aspired to be a leading philosopher, he probably wouldn't have become a practicing psychologist.

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+1....He really is a good self-help and speaker for sales people. (He truly understands how to talk with the 10% of corporate talent.) But some kind of great philosopher thinker, he sounds like anti-feminist from the 1970s.

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The Alex jones Dorian Grey metaphor is weird.

I agree he’s overrated. I’ve never understood the appeal. Bucketing him with Alex Jones seems over the top though.

Definitely loses some if not all of his free speech credentials.

OTOH he’s Canadian. Our concept of libel vs free speech is very unique. I don’t know how to take that into account.

Not legal advice, but: these statements wouldn't constitute defamation in Canada (or the US or UK, insofar as I understand their laws). They're all either opinion, or conjecture based on stated facts. This is a frivolous complaint, and it really makes Peterson look like a hypocrite.

Canada doesn't have particularly odd defamation laws, except for the weird hate-speech stuff under the Human Rights Codes, which does have quasi-defamation provisions for disparaging identifiable groups. Not applicable here.

Oh, and as always Quebec has their own thing which nobody understands unless you're a lawyer practicing in Quebec and seemingly half the time not even then.

(See, that last sentence is an example of a statement that would probably have me up on charges before a Human Rights Tribunal under Canadian law.)

"Wait, you said human rights, but we're talking about Quebec..."

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I suspect that Jones, way back when, probably started somewhat sensible but noticed he got a lot more hits, followers and money when he ventured into saying outrageous things. Then the hamster wheel was set up. Every day find something new to say to be provocative. As people get used to average provocative statements and others start copying you, up the ante. Meanwhile monetize your fame by selling crap to suckers.

Note you can play this game by playing to the center. Dr. Phil, for example, played the Oprah game of trying to get millions of people to follow him by saying benign, obvious things and then selling them crap.

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JP is so 2016. Its 2018 now. Who's next to take on transgender pronouns?

"it was when the owners of cotton fields dropped the payment of ten cents for a pound of cotton to eight, seven and finally five that the Negro community realized that the Depression, at least, did not discriminate."

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Keep in mind JP lost his fight on the law that supposedly locks people up for using the wrong pronoun. How many people has Canada imprisoned for improper pronoun use?

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#1) Story as old as the hills. The coast metro vs inland (& also North Coast--Crescent City/Eureka) has been a thing for a long while.

Interesting story is California's central coast (San Louis Obispo/Paso Robles/Santa Maria). Good, balanced economy. Only real issue is too much water being sucked up for new Pinot plantings.

I wouldn't say "as old as the hills." Of course, I'm born and raised Californian and 64 years old so I have a memory of California as much different than it is today.

The sharply progressive personal income tax structure is actually fairly new as is the wealth of Silicon Valley and the enormous population of California. Also, the state's funding of education vs local funding is a fairly new issue as well.

And, the article mentions but pretty much glosses over changes to Prop 13 that are likely to be on the ballot in 2020 to split off commercial real estate taxation from residential that could have a pretty big impact on state revenues.

I suppose a kinda turning point was Prop 13 coupled with PC revolution, right after: Late 70s/Early 80s.

Silicon Valley was really a region serving niche markets through the late 70's (DOD, scientific community). IBM (East Coast) handled the business, and mass market computing hardware wasn't a thing, other than Atari, and the boutique PC offerings (Commodore/Tandy/TI/Apple II....). Of course, much of what would service and supply mass markets was coming together in Silicon Valley then..

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I read quite a few of the comments to the linked article. Ongoing theme was cost increases in services, and part of that from California effectively being a sanctuary state.

This Hanson essay is being widely quoted:

https://www.city-journal.org/html/do-we-want-mexifornia-12236.html

In some ways, after reading this essay, it makes me think of "No Country for Old Men". Given the recent issues of City Journal I have read, I doubt they would have published this essay today.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_187

Proposition 187 showed the true colors of all three branches of government, a drive to subvert the will of the people when that will threatens government employment levels.

Here are some interesting comments from the LAT article:

1. Yes, while the rich put their kids in private schools, the rest of us have to send our kids to the failing public schools, ranked 46th in the nation. 60% of students entering the UC system has to be remediated. 1/3 of all welfare recipients nationally live in CA. 22% of CA residents live below the poverty line. Largest homeless population of any state. So while the most educated coastal elites are shielded from the real world by their wealth, they can lobby and get laws passed that negatively impact the poor while they live in their bubble. High electricity and gas cost for example. When the heat soars past 100 in many poor towns in the center of the state, those citizens will go to the local War-Mart to escape the heat. This state hasn't built a new dam in 35 years, yet we now have multi year droughts. Governor Moonbean thought a high/slow speed train costing north of $100B was more important than new dams and reservoirs. For the cost of that damn train, we could have built 50 news dams and reservoirs. But thank god for those educated elites who don't complain about high taxes.

2. No, California's next governor cannot fix the state's problems because he and the legislature will be Democrats. Decades of Democrat policies, regardless of who was governor, are to blame for California's bifurcation into a third world social hierarchy.

I lived in California and started a business. I wasn't getting my money's worth for all the taxes I was paying. I laid off all my CA employees (Average salary of over $100k/yr) and moved to Texas. I have saved literally over a million dollars in taxes since I did.

That sidewalk in Palo Alto looks identical to any number of streets in my North Texas city. But I pay zero state income tax and have a 4,500ft2 house for $500k. There are not just millionaires around my city (but quite a few of us are), there are factories that employ "regular people". And those "regular people" can afford to live in the same city and eat in the same restaurants.

The difference is that my state, county, and city are all run by Republicans who prioritize low taxes, low crime, and small government. Texas does not have a "stick it to the rich" mentality, and therefore, their revenue is broad based. The result is that a good quality of life is available for all, not just those who have too much money they don't mind wasting it.

"I laid off all my CA employees (Average salary of over $100k/yr) and moved to Texas. I have saved literally over a million dollars in taxes since I did. "

Good on you. More should follow your example.

Not me, I was quoting "Howard B." who commented in LA Times.

"This Hanson essay is being widely quoted..."

Sixteen years after he wrote it?

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"part of that from California effectively being a sanctuary state"

At least you qualify ("PART of"). You'd figure that with VDH's hyperbole, we'd already be eating bbq iguana.

Re: "Governor Moonbean thought a high/slow speed train costing north"

It's not, nor it wasn't, Moonbeam's call. Initiative driven, ya know. As to merits/demerits, fair enough.

I don't know what fraction of the budgetary increases stem from the sanctuary state status, but among LAT commenters, they are not too happy about the increases in social services costs, and the decline in the schools. BTW, why is Jerry Brown called "Moonbeam"?

Re: why is Jerry Brown called "Moonbeam"?

1976 coinage of columnist Mike Royko

https://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/07/weekinreview/07mckinley.html

Sure, many are none-too-pleased with whatever public funds might be going to brown people of suspicious origin. Anyhoo....

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3. Most things should be that cheap if you cut out the middlemen. In many industries, it is common for each rung of the distribution chain to double the price, so if something costs $1 to make, the brand will sell it to a retailer for $2, which will then sell to a consumer for $4. You could save 75% just by ordering directly from the actual product maker and avoiding those layers of profit margins. Foreign competition is great because it keeps these profit margins down. Where industries are protected from foreign competition (such as in airlines and pharmaceuticals), Americans end up paying much higher prices for the same or worse quality goods and services.

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2. Eusociality bias. Most wasp species are lower on the eusuociality continuum than bee species. "Eusocial" derives from the Greek εὖ eu "good" therefore less highly eusocial species are "less good." A common bias that extends to human sociality where people who live in cities are seen as better than people who do not.

Wasps also suffer from the bias against carnivorous diets. Most wasp species, unlike bees, are omnivores and in some cases pure carnivores. Humans tend to have a quasi-religious bias in favor of vegeterianism embuing it with a higher aesthetic value and notions of purity. This in turn is ascribed to bees via anthropomorphism.

Personally I like wasps more than bees precisely because they are less eusocial. Highly eusocial insects seem to be more likely to be stuck in an evolutionary trap and are generally less adaptable.

Nevertheless I share most people's reflexive negative reaction when confronted of imagery of wasps consuming other insects:
https://gizmodo.com/this-footage-of-carnivorous-wasps-devouring-a-dragonfly-1797828404

and for wasps controlling other insects: https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn14053-zombie-caterpillars-controlled-by-voodoo-wasps/

I don't know if our dislike of carnivores really arise as you say, through our admiration of human vegetarianism and anthropomorpism. That seems a very complicated way to explain something simple. Perhaps we dislikes carnivores because, first, well, we are meat, and we do not want to be eaten. Second, most of us eats meat, and most carnivores are natural competitors for the meat we eat. Also there are good reason not to eat carnivores (and most culture avoid eating carnivores indeed, fish excepted) in terms of the greater resources used to produce one calorie of carnivore meat than of herbivore meat. All this concerns mostly mammals and birds, but our disgust can then easily be extended to all animals.

My dislike of carnivorous stinging insects is that they are attracted to the meat I am trying to eat outside, and they are willing to sting me to get at it. I don’t notice this with honeybees, who seem only to react if I step on one with bare feet or collide with their hive. I’ve been chased by a cloud of waps/hornets/yellowjackets, whatever they are.

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Meat is more likely to carry disease. Bad meat will make you a lot sicker than bad fruit.

? They both can kill you. Maybe the meat is more likely to, but still.

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That's incorrect. Meat is less risky, not more.

See, https://www.acsh.org/news/2015/03/11/foodborne-illness-likely-come-fruits-vegetables-knew

Remember that most US meat comes from industrial facilities that are cleaned and inspected, whereas much greenstuff is harvested by hand under conditions both physical and cultural that may discourage good hygiene habits.

Well, I'm thinking in evolutionary, anthropological terms. Our disgust mechanism evolved to be very, very, afraid of rotting meat.

Maybe so. Today, the issue is more one of contamination rather than spoilage.

And gross as it is, your lettuce is much more likely to have had someone relieve themselves on it.

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#2 is not very informative. It makes an interesting entomological subject look like the last complaint of a "victimized" category of snowflakes.

"The public are unaware of all the good things they do so they are regarded as nuisances rather than an important ecological asset", says the article. The problem is that the public is as unaware as before after reading the paper.

I know that figs, for example, can only be pollinated by wasps, so that if you have figs somewhere you need to have wasps around (the converse is not true). What else do wasps pollinate?
Also, are they really threatened like bees? what about the evolution of the number of wasps in the last decades? and compared to bees?

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2. Wasps (white Anglo-Saxon protestants) are Republicans. Enough said. Down here we also have yellow jackets. They mind their own business, but if you disturb their nest (usually in the ground), they attack like kamikazes. Here's some good news: I have never seen as many monarch butterflies as I have over the past month. The bad news: this is ragweed season.

4. Isn't sexually frustrated young men the explanation for jihad?

4. Considering that they’re more likely than the rest of their population to be married with children, no.

Not even remotely true.

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#3. I'm considering buying more shit from China specifically so as to punish working class white guys for voting for Trump. I'm going to go out of my way to look for a "Made in China" labels, just to negate their "Made in America" bullshit, in the same way I go out of my way to buy products that are probably GMO, just to negate the influence of anti-GMO activists.

President Xi thanks you and will be expanding his slave labor camps with your money. The slave laborers don't thank you so much, but who cares about them?

Do not do that. Red China will hse the money to attack America.

We Americans must demand that Red China surrender, under threat of a nuclear strike on their major cities. The world's fate hangs in the balance.

I wash myself with a rag on a stick!

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Good for you. I do need to note, that while the NASCAR white trash bunch had a higher tendency to vote for Trump than for example female government workers, Trump voters have higher incomes than Clinton voters, thus are more likely to be makers than takers, and they vote their economic interest:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/05/05/donald-trump-average-voter-income-72000-middle-class/83972800/

Link above was for the primaries, it was not substantially different in the general election, however, the Kasich voters with their $91K household income was mixed in with the Trump primary voters.

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I also avoid GMO-free and organic labelled food where possible. Fair-trade too. I'm not under the illusion that it makes any difference, but I do feel a bit better.

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+1. Their arrogance needs to taken down a notch. We all have problems but they act like theirs is the only one that matters.

Us red ants cannot know Carrie, whether Martin understands that the News propogating racism subconsciously is worse than the News working on behalf of a "foreign" government, consciously. I said it before, but the machine is dead. A semblance of sickness remains.

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So Peterson is quick to label his enemies in the name of free speech as neo-Marxists or Stalinists but if they call him a white nationalist then he sues them for defamation. Does this make any kind of logical sense?

Yes. Because they **are** neo-Marxists and Stalinists and he's **not** a white nationalist.

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If you need Peterson to help you with your manliness, maybe neither he nor you are.

never take manliness advice from a floppy middle age suburban dad.

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#2 Fuck wasps and their waspy nests and their waspy faces and their waspy stings.

No bee has ever stung me.

A wasp attacked me in my shower when I was most vulnerable.

Fuck wasps.

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# 4 was either a hit piece or the product of a hack.

The article mentions the wage gap as-if that was a negative against JP. I don’t know anyone who has studied the issue that has come to the conclusion that how the wage gap is usually cited — different wage for the same job — is accurate. Yet I highly doubt the same outfit would criticize, eg, Obama for citing the statistic despite anyone with a passing knowledge of it understanding that it is bogus.

The article also referenced the enforced mohognay comment. The context of the comment in the article suggests something sinister, and ignores the widely used term in sociological settings which JP subsequently clarified.

Both issues highlighted above show either really low effort (ie no efforts to understand JP’s position) or willfully misconstruing JP’s position. I hope the post was Strassuain.

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i'm generally shocked JP would find any traction in the MR comments. which is not to defend his apoplectic critics.

why do amerikan teenagers text their boots
their boots are on their feet
why not just talk to their boots

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My relative works in Palo Alto. He lives 30 miles away from there.

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