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Though not the experience of taking photos, if one finds taking photos pleasurable.

Think long term, people. If you give up a little bit of enjoyment when things happen, you have a lot of enjoyment looking at the photos for the rest of your life on top of all the enjoyment when you share it on social media to all your friends. Don't be so selfish. Short term pain, long term gain.

Far from those toners from the perfumed water varietythat do hardly any, liquid exfoliants like this one use alpha doghydroxy acids (AHAs) to mop away the dead skin care regimen steps (Alberta) tissue that dull thecomplexion plus clog pores.

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Agree. I do not take many smartphone pictures and I hate when friends spend so much time taking pictures during fun times. But years later I am thankful to have them.

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Might? I'd be 100% sure that taking photos diminishes experiences. But you have the pictures. So like everything else this is a trade off.

One thing not mentioned is how the experience of how OTHERS taking photos diminishes YOUR enjoyment. For my personal photography, I'm willing to accept the trade off. But not for throngs of people with selfie-sticks or gaggles of insta photo op people that couldn't even tell you what's in the background.

Tragedy of the commons. My enjoyment of even obscure locations and experiences is starting to be impacted. Damn you soc media.

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4. Elf

The Third Man

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Anchorman

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The Tech Noir scene in The Terminator.

I take it "meeting" means "two characters encounter one another for the first time" and not "everybody sits in a conference room for business." If it's the latter, Office Space.

She does mean office meetings. Robocop and Goldfinger come to mind.

Not just office meetings...planning meetings like in Star Wars and Dances With Wolves too

I'm guessing that this is correct, but although I've seen almost all of the movies on her list, I do not recall memorable meeting scenes in some of them.

To do my thinking out loud (and perhaps to reveal my poor memory of some of these movies, in some cases it's been decades since I saw them):

--Star Wars
Presumably she's referring to the meeting where Darth Vader finds someone else's lack of faith ... disturbing. Yes, great scene, great line.

-Dances with Wolves
Liked the movie, I do remember there being several meeting scenes and maybe one of them was especially good but I don't recall.

-High Noon
Haven't seen it.

-Close Encounters of the Third Kind
Saw it when it came out, don't remember a great meeting scene. Didn't like the movie much anyway, lots of sounds and lights literally, but adding up to nothing much.

-Matrix Reloaded
Don't remember any meeting scene, don't remember the movie much anyway except it being a waste of time. The Matrix was pretty good, the follow-ups were un-needed to the max.

-Michael Collins
Haven't seen it.

-Duck Soup
One of my all-time favorite movies, if there is a meeting scene I'm sure it's great but I don't remember a meeting scene. Maybe when Freedonia decides to go to war?

-Robocop
Haven't seen it.

-Field of Dreams
Liked it but I don't remember a meeting scene, except at the end where the brother-in-law or whoever it was wants to take the farm away from Kevin Costner. Slightly memorable, but not nearly as much as the little girl needing to have her life saved by Moonlight Graham.

-Dogma
Liked it well enough but I don't remember a meeting scene. Unless it's the scene at the end when
God shows up and it's Alanis Morisette.

-Manchurian Candidate
An all-time great film but I don't remember a meeting scene.

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Actually I think it is the latter, and +1 for Office Space, Elf, Anchorman, and The Third Man above.

I'd add Working Girl, Wall Street, all 3 Godfather films

The reason Michael Corleone is such a great character is because of his negative targeting ability. He comes of like a New York Yankee. The inability to negatively target, just take a family doctor who cares for someone who smokes, is the fundamental flaw of modern journalism. It is interesting because it is the fundamental tenet of medical science and postmodern literature, and the fact that of course advertisers don't want their consumers brainwashed. That was the lesson of Cigarette ads (note Ronald Reagan) and of Global Warming skeptics today. There is a democratic ethos in abolitionism.

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Michael Mann's Heat

Pacino and DeNiro - both as their characters in the movie and as actors on set and screen at the same time - meet for the first time in the coffee shop.

That always amazed me. Two of the great Italian actors of American cinema had never had a shared the screen at the same time before that moment.

Great meeting. Great movie.

"You lookin' to become a penologist?"

"You lookin' to go back? You know I've known some crews just lookin to foul up, get busted back, that you?"

"You see me doin' thrill-seekin' liquor store hold-ups with a born-to-lose tattoo on my chest?"

"No I do not...."

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Everybody always says that -- it's the most cliched movie comment in the world ("Can you believe these two people are in one scene OMG!!!") -- but the scene itself is pretty, pretty stupid.

Cop and bad guy are secretly surveilling each other all movie, then suddenly decide to have coffee and talk about their life problems, and how they have things in common? Yeah. Ok. Sure.

For the love of God, man. It was like Sam and Ralph punching out at the end of the Warner Brothers cartoon.

To each their own, but I disagree.

The point of that scene is about respect. It's "chivalrous". Hannah respects McCaulley's skill, precision and expertise. McCaulley respects Hannah's dedication and speed with which he zeroes in on him and his crew. It's a frank discussion between them about what ends up happening next and the ultimate finale.

Of course in real life it's ludicrous, but history is replete with examples of antagonistic peers (or near-peers) in similar situations, and discussions. I thought it was a great movie, and the shoot-outs are still among the finest action sequences ever filmed...still in my opinion.

the trade off is pricision or quality or exactness or direct evidence for recall, ie sensitivity or completeness and so, there are giant loopholes; it is only a language bias, right Jill Lepore?

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I think real life wins this one: Appomattox Court House. Per wikipedia: "Grant, suddenly overcome with sadness, found it hard to get to the point ..."

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When Peter Gibbons meets the two Bobs in Office Space.

The Office Space one is great.

Bull Durham, when they meet on the mound.

Candlesticks always make a nice gift, and uh, maybe you could find out where she's registered and maybe a place-setting or maybe a silverware pattern. Okay, let's get two!

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4. Obviously Office Space.

1. The sales conference in Glengarry Glen Ross ("Put that coffee down!")
2. The opening scene of the Godfather where the undertaker comes to Don Corleone for a favor. "I believe in America."
3. Basically the entire movie Conspiracy, about the Wansee Conference.
4. The later scene in the Godfather where Don Corleone gives his "I am a superstitious man" speech.

Glengarry Glen Ross has to be one of the top 5

Agreed.

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it's #1
second place is steak knives

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That was my thought, too, just above before I saw your comment.

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4. Head Office:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-2NHmwV-do

Much of this movie remains fantastic thirty years later. The plot line of Head Office was pretty typical and annoying milquetoast Hollywood liberalism, but there were some sterling individual scenes peppered in this forgotten gem of a movie. I'm partial to the lunch meeting where they all discuss what you can and can't believe on television, including Those Amazing Animals. Artwork.

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5. These are mostly idiotic. Almost as bad as the list from that twit who believed urban legends a few weeks ago.

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5. He has 6 and 8 wrong.

6 Only the rich marry. The rest cohabit & occasionally procreate. Half wrong, the rich marry but the majority of children born are from the rest. Isn't that what is happening now?

8. new Cold war: those affected by global warming vs those who arent.
It is between those who are affected by policies ostensibly designed to diminish global warming and those who can afford the costs. Already happening.

You're 100% correct on #8.

See France "yellow vests."

Some thoughts.

Low-to-moderate income people will "revolt" against ruinous climate change policies. Climate Change Policies Hurt Poor People.

Everybody wants clean air and water. A tiny minority - Obama, Gore, Clinton, Bushes, Ryan, limousine libs, et al - wants to make life miserable for middle- and lower-class Americans.

Most think that economic disaster is not good for the planet.

Youre fooling yourself if you think the yellow vests are protesting climate policy

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#2 -- Surely there is some balance to strike. Looking at old photos is one way to help re-live fond memories, a process that is an important component of happiness. The important thing is not to fetishize the photo; the photo should be evidence of a memory, not a stand-in for the memory itself.

I find it the opposite. Photography is all about seeing then capturing. I find I see far more. It may be different in social gatherings where taking photos becomes intrusive or consuming, especially with social media where you are focused on the people out there rather than the people you are with. But the problem isn't photographs, it is social media.

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#5: 2 and 6 are hardly bold predictions. We're 2/3rds of the way there already. 8 strikes me as a long shot; the places likely to be affected the most are too poor to do anything about it.

The places most affected by global warming will be places touching the Arctic Circle: Greenland, Canada, Russia, USA. The ice melts and reveals an enormous new fortune of natural resources, beyond what we've already found. No way will this lead to a new cold war with people who live at the Equator.

The wealth disparities between Canada, Russia, the US, and any equatorial country make the outcome of any such cold or hot war essentially a foregone conclusion.

Absolutely. It would be suicide for them, with no imaginable gain even if they did win.

Tell that to Afghanistan and Vietnam

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many of those who might seem to be among the "most affected" will also be those most able to adapt . . . and thus not really much affected at all

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#4:
- Kings of the Road: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q17Ig6vdiv0 (through 3:25).
- Once Upon a Time in the West: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QML28YQBvyc
- Jeremiah Johnson (not their first meeting, though): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lsZE8MpQZI&list=PLcnt4GEumHY_9PfTdLjoE2yISVQ5hRanJ
- Close Up: https://dergreif-online.de/artist-blog/close-up-abbas-kiarostami/

- Lawrence of Arabia: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=il-CWVHDnvU
- Ice Cold in Alex (does meeting a beer count?): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouYKeeTz7Yw
- Play It Again Sam: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHkGjkm9AeY
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#4....Play it again Sam...I thought you meant the Art Gallery scene.

That's a good one. Forgot about that.

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- Brokeback Mountain

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The Bridge Over the River Kwai has a great all day business meeting scene where the prisoners present their bridge design. They even don't break for lunch.

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#3: it's a funny situation. It's not clear in the article linked by Tyler but the origin of the issue is about the cinema screenings. No one has a problem with subtitles in a DVD.

A similar case would be is using subtitles to translate an UK movie to US English. Netflix screwed up a little. Lots of books are translated from EN or FR to Spanish in Spain, then distributed to the whole world. Readers don't complain about translations to Spain's Spanish. So, why the need to translate from Mexican Spanish?

Perhaps Cuarón is offended , I don't care. For people outside Spain it has become a joke about how dumb (feel free to insert more adjectives) are Spaniards if they need a translation. A second joke is to complain ironically about how hard is to read books printed on Spain......it's ANOTHER language.

The movie Airplane used subtitles to translate black English ("jive") to English.

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1. The problem with SK isn't the hike in the minimum wage (it's well below that in the U.S.) or an increase in the tax rate (it's only 4% higher today than during the period of rapid economic growth) it's that it's economy is too dependent on trade (exports): exports account for 43% of SK's GDP (as compared to 20% for China). It has locked SK into a low wage, low domestic consumption, and high inequality economy. While globalization has resulted in rapid economic growth, the bulk of the benefits are concentrated at the top. Now, with globalization in retreat, the consequences to SK's economy are felt most acutely by small business and labor.

"The problem with SK isn't the hike in the minimum wage (it's well below that in the U.S.) "

rayward, you can't be that dumb. It's actually significantly higher than the US minimum wage when adjusted for local wages.

"rose to 7,530 Korean won, or about $6.70, an hour. "
Median income in South Korea for a four-person household = $47K
Equivalent to $22.60
Minimum wage = 30% of four-person household

US minimum wage $7.25
Median income in US for a four-person household $61K
Equivalent to $29.81
Minimum wage = 24% of four-person household

"rayward, you can't be that dumb."

-citation needed

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I would guess GDP per hour worked median wages or median per capita household income would be better measure to compare with minimum wage.

In PPP, Korea's minimum wage is 8.58 dollars per hour since PPP conversion is 877.05 won per dollar according to the world bank. Considering GDP PPP per hour worked in Korea is about 50% of the US's that means their minimum wage is equivalent to 17 dollars per hour. That is a huge cost for its economy.

I wanna see AOC president in the US, with a minimum wage of 18 dollars and marginal taxes at 85%, I would love to watch how long it would take for the US to have its first hyperinflationary experience.

Maybe we should start calling her Sandy Chavez.

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"or median per capita household income would be better measure to compare with minimum wage."

That's what I did.
Formula: Minimum wage / median income for 4 person household

South Korea = 30%
US = 24%

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Trade has nothing to do with inequality. Exports are more than 43% of GDP in Germany and Sweden, but they are among the most equal countries in the world. On the other hand, some of the countries with the lowest dependence on exports (like the US, Brazil, and Argentina are all around 12%) have very high inequality.

There's basically no difference in market income inequality between Sweden, Germany and the US, so yeah, it rides on differences in taxes and transfers.

It would be strange if total exports did generally relate positively to inequality though comparing nations of different sizes, rather than one nation through time.

States which can achieve high exports should be relatively small, as large states can't really export their way to prosperity (as external markets aren't large enough) and they should tend to be more geographically isolated, which again reduces trade. Large and extensive states also should tend to more internal diversity and inequality, and probably lower tax and transfers.

Looking at trends within a bag of states of different sizes, over time as GDP across borders either increases or decreases, will be more likely to tell you something informative than looking across states, confounded by the size of nations and how close they are to other nations.

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Only conservative economists believe minimum wage has trade offs. Thank you NYT

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#4. The Council of Elrond. Duuuuuh.

I agree with “dude.” M

Every meeting scene in Office Space is pure gold.

Bob...bob.

Michael Bolton

Take the specs to the engineers.

Oh and remember next Friday is Hawaiian shirt day...

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"Michael Bolton: It’s pretty brilliant. What it does is every time there’s a bank transaction where interest is computed, you know, thousands a day, the computer ends up with these fractions of a cent, which it usually rounds off. What this does is it takes those remainders and puts it into an account.
Peter Gibbons: This sounds familiar.
Michael Bolton: Yeah. They did it in Superman III."

I'm still left wondering how often this trick has been pulled off successfully.

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The article should provide more context on the minimum wage. It basically goes up every year around 10%. 2019's minimum wages looks like it'll be twice what it was 10 years ago in 2009. Those are huge increases. I think most economists are quite unanimous that large increases in minimum wage are bad (although some think that small increases can be beneficial on net). Korea probably also has the same problem the US has with a Federal minimum wage, which is that cost of living varies wildly across the country.

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#2: Duh!

My neighbor is very down to business, not very political, except he did think Hillary was a Neocon, and thought Trump is less likely to start WW3.

He asked me what's the deal about the shutdown? I replied, half of government workers are not working! Then he asked: How's that different?

Since I am already off topic, any betting pools on when RBG resigns? Before or after she kicks the bucket? Can she continue as an uploaded persona?

Feb. 1, 2021

That would be good for the left!

Would be interesting to see how the current court responds to the ongoing legal challenges to ACA. They went through some ridiculous arguments, saving it by calling it a tax. The facts supporting that decision no longer exist with the new tax code.

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Think Bates Motel.

Weekend At Ruth's

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Haha! Every government worker is a vicious communist raping good taxpayers by doing nothing and cashing huge paychecks. They should all be shot.

#draintheswamp #MAGA2020 #Ivanka2024

D-, satire is too over the top and lacks both finesse and humor.

You still crying about your drunk mommy Hillary losing? Your tears are my favorite beer. #MAGA2020

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Yeah D-.

Also the amibiguity or the subject: are they communist-raping good taxpayers? Points off for poor grammar and sentence construction.

Could have copied and pasted from Dick or AG and been closer to satire.

It either needs to be close enough but just over the edge of insanity and with fake evidence links, or pick something you know the target would be morally outraged by but could be semi plausibly accused of at first glance.

You know you’re doing it well when the target is morally outraged or, in sock puppeting, the target is 50% okay with it and 50% outraged.

We deserve better trolls.

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I wouldn't go that far, but I will say it's historically a place where high school graduates get paid like college graduates.

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+1. Every one of those government workers is a thief stealing from taxpayers. Every last one of them. Trump is doing the right thing.

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4) Does she mean like business meetings or boy-meets-girl meetings?
Robocop is indeed a gem. Also the meeting where that evil little dude announces he's going to hold the world hostage for ... One Million Dollars!

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#4 . Not sure what kind of meeting we're talking, but:
-Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy has many great meetings of every kind.
-Heat, where deniro and pacino meet in the diner.
-Town hall meeting in Jaws with Robert Shaw

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#4...Maltese Falcon...Joel Cairo meets Sam Spade..."Look what you did to my shirt."

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#3. This is absurd. To put it simply, no one cares when Spanish series such as Éĺite are redubbed -not only subbed- to Latin Spanish. But it is only an excuse for the pure and exquisite pseudo-progressives to get mad at another options for consumers. In fact, as a result of his complaints, the only thing that was harmed was consumers options, because now you can't choose those subtitles.

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#1...I do believe there's a tradeoff involved with a reasonable minimum wage and higher taxes, but only by actually trying it in a specific area and seeing what occurs can that be verified. There are a myriad of incentives and disincentives competing in our lives everyday, so that isolating one and proclaiming a priori what would occur is foolish. This and the Seattle example qualify as reasonable in my opinion.

I want to make one point primary. During this crisis, and often in discussing taxes and the minimum wage, people become obtuse or unable to admit being wrong. Ideology is a deterrent to actually getting things done. As Edmund Burke said...

A Letter to a Noble Lord (1796)[edit]

Mere parsimony is not economy. Expense, and great expense, may be an essential part in true economy.
Economy is a distributive virtue, and consists not in saving but selection. Parsimony requires no providence, no sagacity, no powers of combination, no comparison, no judgment.

The primary flaw is a US national minimum wage. If states want a minimum wage I encourage them to set what they feel is appropriate.

But the US is too large and too diverse to have an effective country wide minimum wage. Any MW you set is either going to be too high for a state like Mississippi or too low for a state like New York.

This is a good point, but isn't this what the US pretty much has now? A fairly low national min wage, with some states passing ever higher ones.

Oregon's gradually raising its to $14.75 per hour, which is almost certainly too high for many areas of the state, but the state min wage law actually does allow for lower min wages in some parts of the state. Probably not low enough though.
https://www.oregon.gov/boli/whd/omw/pages/minimum-wage-rate-summary.aspx

"This is a good point, but isn't this what the US pretty much has now? A fairly low national min wage, with some states passing ever higher ones."

Sure, but it's clear that Democrats want to raise the national minimum wage to $15+ / hour. That would be a disaster for low wage states.

But a fundamental question is why even have a US minimum wage?

It polls well and the costs are mostly on the “unseen” side of the Bastiat Curtain.

I’m coining that: Bastian Curtain Test.

Someone page Scott Alexander.

Bastiat’s Curtain?

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There are probably some political calculations going on, beyond just "the voters want it", with the minimum wage hikes in very Democratic states and municipalities, along the lines of "people will come here to work, and current residents will stay, because we have a high minimum wage instead of some awful $7.25/hour service job in their home town or state". The issue is whether these benefits will in fact accrue to the areas enacting these minimum wage laws when 1) employers inevitably reduce jobs, and more people have to use public assistance, causing financial issues, and 2) for municipalities, whether the minimum wage will be subjected to the freerider problem by people getting jobs in the city but living in far out suburbs and exurbs beyond the tax jurisdiction of the city. If I were living in a national minimum wage state with a no-skill minimum wage job with few job opportunities, I wouldn't consider moving to Seattle for $15 an hour for the same type of job due to cost of living, but I would consider living in a far off suburb of Seattle with a 50-60 minute commute, lower cost of living, and lower taxes for $15 hour.

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Minimum wages are like tariffs: the fact that they exist shows how little seriously economics is taken by policy makers.

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2. My mother stopping any fun thing I was doing to make me pose for a photo certainly diminished my pleasure. Now all those photos fill boxes in my basement.

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4: The scene at the start of real genius in which the defense contractor sells the laser death ray to the government.

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4. What are the best meeting scenes in movies?

Phil Connors meets Ned Ryerson

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Kudos to those who mentioned The Third Man, Once Upon a Time in the West, Glengarry Glen Ross, and The Godfather, and to Alex for mentioning Casablanca in the Twitter thread. I will add:

- The gas station coin toss scene in No Country for Old Men.
- Roy Batty confronts Eldon Tyrell in Blade Runner.
- Clarice Starling meets Hannibal Lecter in Silence of the Lambs.
- The introduction of Jesus in The Big Lebowski.

And you can pick just about any scene you like from Pulp Fiction or Inglourious Basterds and find a gem of a first meeting.

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4. WALL-E.

4. The Hudsucker Proxy.

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Humbert Humbert meets Lolita.

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"Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die"

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4. Michael Corleone, McCluskey, and Sollozzo in Godfather, no contest.

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Michael Corleone, Sollozzo, and McCluskey in Godfather. No contest

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Reservoir Dogs. When the old guy is talking to the crew about their next robbery and giving out names like Mr. Black...Mr. Pink.

Yes, that was an excellent scene.

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One or two photos? Fine.

My mother in law? Insane. Simulacra. The photo-taking eclipses the moment it is allegedly trying to capture.

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#4: Multiple replies in the Twitter thread said Margin Call, which is correct: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hhy7JUinlu0

I haven't seen the movie, I did watch the clip which indeed looks very good. My only question is how authentic is it, versus being the Hollywood version of a crucial emergency business meeting? I've never been to a high level finance meeting so I don't know what does on there.

Fictional scenes can still be great, but they're even better if they do a decent job of reflecting reality.

E.g. when I get called to jury duty, the experience in the courtroom is very similar to what I see in movies and on TV. (This is referring just to the voir dire experience, I manage to never get impaneled because I give my honest opinions during the voir dire process.)

But maybe what's happened is the judges and lawyers have changed their procedures so that what the potential jurors experience has been altered to resemble TV and the movies? Customer satisfaction and legitimacy and all that: if the process were too different from the TV/movie version the jurors would probably feel that the courtroom was a fake news version and start disbelieving in the legal process.

But maybe that's what the process has been like all along, and the movies/TV have managed to authentically depict what a courtroom is like?

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so has anybody else noticed how some of these bias studies resemble scientology

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6: If there were a futures market for disciplinary scandals, insiders would have a big advantage.

I was largely but not completely ignorant of the issues of gender bias in the economics profession. Visits to Econ Job Market Rumors were what alerted me to the flagrant -- not just sexism but outright misogyny -- that infests economics. It is one advantage of anonymity on the internet; most of the people there are presumably too polite or too wise to let their true feelings show in their face to face interactions. But on that website we can see how they really feel, and it's a cesspool as I think it was Justin Wolfers observed.

So this was an open secret in economics for awhile; Alice Wu's paper brought some more public light to bear, and now a year or two later it's finally reached the national news.

Similarly, the problem of data fishing and lack of reproducibility has been known to anyone who did graduate work in a quantitative social science since ... at least the mid-20th century I'd say, if not earlier. But it wasn't until Nosek et al's article about the non-reproducibility of 3/5 of psychology articles that this problem finally gained the attention of the general public. So that was an open secret for decades.

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5: I'm not super impressed, not because the predictions lack accuracy but because many or most of them seem too obvious. E.g. cities being better places to live: incomes and livability have been generally increasing worldwide anyway, and cities have been relatively better than rural hinterlands in most countries for decades as we have seen with people voting with their feet and moving to them.

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Nice to see NYT coverage of this discussion in economics, but I'm disappointed that the headline indicates that this is solely a #metoo issue. The conversation is much broader regarding the reasons that women are underrepresented in economics, including bias and bullying. For those that believe that there is not a problem, I'd encourage you to watch the ASSA webcast that the article references. https://www.aeaweb.org/webcasts/2019/how-can-economics-solve-gender-problem

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