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Hill BBQ is perhaps the best I have had — ever.  It is open Thursday and Saturday only, get the burnt ends and beef ribs.  Next in line is Evie Mae’s, better known on the barbecue circuit, but still mostly unsullied by tourists and so the lines remain manageable.

There is no real center of town, but you can visit the world’s largest windmill museum (it is windy there), a prairie dog park, and Robert Bruno’s self-constructed, funky Steel House on a nearby lake.  There are Confederate memorials remaining by the main courthouse.  You will see tumbleweed.  There is a strange man walking around town with a tricolor hat.

The economy is cotton, health care, and Texas Tech at about 40,000 students.  Buddy Holly was from Lubbock.

It still has a strong regional feel, much as say parts of the Dakotas do.  The dinosaur displays in the museum are labeled “The Original Longhorns.”

I would go long on Lubbock: no NIMBYs (yet), the housing stock is rising in quality, they are opening an entertainment center downtown, and it could be the next Marfa but on a larger scale.  What’s not to like?


KC BBQ > Texas BBQ. Sorry that's just a fact.

And here ... we ... go!

Since Lil' Jakes closed KC BBQ has not been on a long sad decline.

remove the "not"

BBQ diversity is our strength.

Except that heretical mustard fake BBQ.

That Carolina watery vinegar-mustard non-sense is a partly why the South lost the Civil War.

A vinegar mustard base is the best bbq out there. While I love them all: Carolina lowland is the best. Texas style is the worst.

In any style, however, beef ribs are a terrible choice. I am not sure there is a worse bbq cut out there.

As a Lowcountry saltwater cowboy myself, I whole hoggedly concur.

Hmmm, "What's not to like?"

---> "There are Confederate memorials remaining by the main courthouse."

Just a typo, supposed to say what's not to like *if you're white*

My, my! Do you feel the same about streets named for MLK?

This kind of falls into the chasm of Poe's law, but if it's real .. wow.

Lots of people who grow up in places like NJ, NY, or New England are charmed when they visit the South, and see memorials to the people that attempted to secede from the Union, and who were defeated by Americans from states in the North.

Like Loser's Lane in Richmond - such an exemplary example of pure white statuary in earlier decades.

A small number of people who grew up anywhere, are dismayed when they read about the dismantling of memorials, generally very small and discreet, to the Reb prisoners of war, many of them teenagers, who chanced to die and be buried in the North - memorials either placed there by kind and tolerant Northern souls with the grace to acknowledge the shared loss of so many young men, or else by sentimental Southern women at the sufferance of their Northern counterparts.

Such very superstitious, late-day desecration by those who've lived easy lives: an "exemplary example" of ... something.

Let's say there was a hypothetical blameless youth, who was sent off for a war he didn't want, and didn't want himself to every enslave anyone later in life .. how many statues were actually for him?

It's mostly generals who, certainly influenced by the prejudices of their day, did seek to protect and prolong human cruelty.

Which is not at all the same as a modern moral hero, who sought to end cruelty for all people.

I haven't seen the memorials in Lubbock, so I can't comment as to what the nature of those memorials is. But I have seen the memorials in Charleston, and they have nothing to do with memorializing the sacrifices of youthful soldiers. They're quasi-religious monuments to the Southern cause. I found them thoroughly disturbing on every imaginable level. I walked away feeling sick to my stomach.

No doubt sincerely very difficult for you, unimaginably so, but then my comment was about unvisited old Confederate sections of Northern graveyards, or mass graves therein, and modest blocks of granite, with some words about history, perhaps. Still, of course, the bones of the long dead may carry a similar sinister power for you, so perhaps your comment is germane to mine.

I hope you're not being sarcastic. I grew up in an area with an overly high density of religious cults. That's what those old Confederate monuments reminded me of: cults.

I have no problem with graveyard memorials to lost souls, or tributes to fallen Confederate soldiers. Memorials to the Confederacy are another matter, however. Categorically different. Viewing them is a journey into the maelstrom of human groupthink; recommended, but highly unpleasant.

A good contrast to that is what I consider to be the USA's finest museum: The World War I museum in Kansas City. The experience is equally horrific, but a fair bit more encouraging, since those who built it were ashamed of their complicity in a terrible thing. There is no such remorse at the memorials in Charleston, so that, for me, makes all the difference.

But, hey. Who knows? Maybe I'm just sensitive to cult behavior.

Google Confederate Rest.

Per NPR Wisconsin, the simple stone cenotaph inscribed with 140 names, in a part of a Madison cemetery called Confederate Rest ... has come down after 113 years ...

If that is not a cult, tell me what it is.

Boys as young as 17 years old, who died off "like rotten sheep."

I may not get queasy as you do, but to me this action was obscene.

It's just book burning by another name and by the very same people who would publicly burn books if they could get away with it.

Apt, I think, in the notion that the landscape must reflect that all places had the same bland no-history. Every five miles a Target, this should satisfy. At least until the fear of the omnipresent red bull's eye takes hold.

My comment in reply to prior's earlier ones was lost, so I'll just leave this here, should his below re tearing down images of Stalin, Marx, also be discarded.

Do I think that they should do so out of a suspicion that those things are explicitly "growing in power" as time passes? No.

(Are they ugly? Were they crappily made? Are they taking up too much space, in their being so numerous? Do the vast majority of people hate to look at them?)

RPLong talks about a cult; indeed I agree with him, but the cultlike aspect is the recruitment of new members to "feel" a certain way about objects in their environment, and to convince them that those objects can hurt them, and that as distance from their creation increases .... the objects' incantatory power increases!

You see this manifested in other curious shared beliefs. I have a kind and not-loony friend who confirmed once that she believes "racism" is much worse for people nowadays, making their lives harder than those of their grandparents. I was surprised someone otherwise so prosaic and practical could be in the grip of such a strange idea; then began to see it repeated everywhere, throughout the media. Indeed, it is now the sine qua non of the NYTimes' existence.

Cult techniques are necessary because no one feels this way naturally.

To use prior's lost example, Monument Avenue is how you know you're in Richmond and not Sacramento. Period. Too many generals? Take down a general, put up a tennis player. It's a little quirky, but quirky is fine.

But it matters not a whit if the statues *were* "memorializing the Lost Cause." The history of the place is the history of the place, Lost Cause and all (not that a Yankee is likely to be an expert on the meaning or motivation of the Lost Cause, anymore than a Southerner to understand why the people of the Massachusetts Bay Colony had so many strange rules about sex, or why the inhabitants of Western New York used to look for fabled treasure like golden plates on the weekend).

Another way to know you are in Richmond is that that there is also a statue to Jefferson Davis at the State Capitol.

And until 2019, you could drive on the Jefferson Davis Memorial Highway in Richmond.

Amazing how many references Richmond possessed, ever so coincidentally, to the leader of a nation founded to explicitly preserving black people as property. A fact you seem to feel should not treated as shameful, but instead preserved to retain local color.

But maybe you can point to all the statues in the South that were erected to memorialize former slaves who were finally granted their liberty in fulfillment of the proud claim that all men are created equal?

Some of us who grew up in Virginia, born before it became legal for white and black people to marry, are fully aware of why no one was building such memorials in the 1880s or following decades, even as the first grandiose Confederate memorials celebrating the valiant defenders of slavery were being erected.

You must have been away from the South for a long time - or indeed the US.

All sites are now curated chiefly with enslaved laborers (you really should know this, it's the preferred locution - apart from being one of those awkwardly-decreed changes to the language, doomed to fail, to my ears it serves to normalize, to homogenize, in some way) in mind. Usually this means all-purpose, interchangeable panels, designed chiefly as a moral cudgel. These *may* add a great deal to an experience of a place, if they do not entirely dispel what is specific to it. Mammoth Cave is a place where this has been done very interestingly, if with something of a heavy hand. The interpretation centers on a pair of brothers, I believe, children of the (white) owner of the cave, whose descendants worked in the area or guided tours; and another man who mapped a great deal of the cave and had a truly unusual life. Out in the West, where that's a little harder to do: at the Cavalry forts, specific local history about settlement and battles and so on has been replaced nearly wholesale with panels about Buffalo Soldiers. Schoolchildren would be wise to conclude for testing purposes that Buffalo Soldiers are the principal reason the west was won. Or lost, or however it's to be presented - in my state, the obvious trend is to present the winners of the state's war for independence as the villains.

Absurd as it all may be, I am content if it means forts and a few of the old homes may be allowed preservation, in a "We Have Always Shopped at Target" world.

So, not an actual example of a single memorial built in Virginia or anywhere else in the South between 1880 and 1920 celebrating the freeing of the slaves. Even if only half as large as the statues on Monument Avenue.

Talk about regional color. Or its lack.

I'm sorry dead people didn't do what you want them to have done, however novel and groundbreaking it might have seemed at the time. I think you'll just have to live with it. But then, it would be so disappointing for you if they had, would it not? Since you find them such a useful measure of yourself, by comparison? Maybe you'll get a monument by and by.

So, a bit of a history lesson. Robert E. Lee was a great Virginian gentleman, without any hint of irony nor mockery, and his contemporaries all remarked on that aspect of his character. What my Virginian born teachers in a Virginia elementary school particularly emphasized about his greatness was that after the Civil War ended, he did not indulge in any delusional Lost Cause fantasies, but instead actively worked to try to make the United States a single nation again. Washington and Lee is a true monument to a great Virginian, in the same sense that VMI is also a true monument to the military virtues embodied by Virginians like Stonewall Jackson.

Oddly, the now dead people who put up Lee's statue on Monument Avenue seemed completely uninterested in what makes Lee a great American, at least the Lee I was taught about, much less the actual Robert E. Lee and his actions following the Civil War. Yes, times change, and the Robert E. Lee that I consider a great general during, and a great man after the end of, the Civil War, whose contribution to re-uniting the U.S. was much greater than a despicable person like Jefferson Davis, seems to have fallen completely out of fashion just a few decades after the early 70s. Both the 1870s and 1970s, one should note.

And really, every Virginian knows that basically all the great Virginians were slave owners. It was never a hidden part of the Commonwealth's history. That the rest of the U.S. seems amazed to discover this is mainly a source of bemusement. Of the variety of bemusement that met all those out of state gun owners recently who did not seem to realize, at least before visiting, that Virginia is a state that honors civility as a virtue.

Nah: the South, or its better elements, grokked perfectly that the figure of Robert E. Lee was the best they could glean from it all, and appropriately memorialized him - the reverence was real enough that my non-sentimental, solely-militarily-inclined Civil War buff father stopped at Washington and Lee, so we could view his tomb, amid a long road trip dedicated to the battle sites, his real interest.

Up until a few years ago - that vision of Lee as reluctant warrior, gracious in defeat - is now forbidden as well. Indeed, it is now considered the most pernicious thing of all. There must be nothing left. Very Yankee-ish, this continued obsession with the South. This played out recently in the renaming of a street here. They found an obscure bureaucrat to honor in his stead.

Since I am a native born Virginian, there is really nothing I can say about your expertise concerning Yankees. Nor do I have any interest in whatever silliness people in Wisconsin or Vermont get up to.

And let me know when there is any movement to rename Washington and Lee, or to obscure the reason it is named after Lee also. Especially considering that the university was honoring the man and his actions following the Civil War, not merely gleaning whatever scraps of honor could be found.

I expect you'll hear of it on your own, depending how old you are. Still, I would learn, before this thread is deleted, your opinion - in plain, not oblique, words - of the precise nature of the manifold good that would come now, of renaming it. An answer that doesn't recur to your usual trope of hating on your fellow Virginians. If it's only that, don't bother.

Oh, and as you seem to not be very up-to-date on where those thorough Puritans have landed on how Lee may and may not be regarded: while he was obviously not cast in the mold of a planter, having led in adulthood the nomadic life of a soldier, his wife's family owned slaves and I believe there is documentary evidence that he employed the whip on a runaway slave, during one of his spells at home. So that's all she wrote. Stay with the class, please.

Which has just a bit of cognitive dissonance when thinking about Germany or Russia.

Though who knows, maybe you feel that no one should ever rename a city or remove statues of such people as Karl Marx, Lenin, or Stalin.

Are we imagining the impulse to remake civic spaces to blandify and neuter them of regionalism, involves a nuanced parsing of blame, by which generals and other big kahunas are thrown in the dustbin, while Johnny Reb remains an accepted historical figure, only 70 or 80% despised?

Wow, color me all astonished. I can't suppose that would satisfy the demand, whether real or manufactured.

Seems like you didn't read anything about Richmond's Monument Avenue. But maybe you can come up with a good reason why removing Jefferson Davis would blandify and neuter regionalism, especially in light of the high esteem he enjoyed among the citizens of Richmond for more than a century. Ironically, Jefferson Davis is essentially the apotheosis in marble of the regionalism that led to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Americans.

Truly a fine example of honoring the memory of those that valiantly served the Confederacy.

I have driven down Richmond's Monument Avenue. I couldn't care in the least to read about it. The history of the South doesn't end with Appomattox. The victors may do whatever they will, but there is historical interest in the fact that after it brought the South to its knees, the North allowed the South - in time, when they had started to get enough to eat, and raise up their heads - to erect these monuments. There is historical interest in the fact that the North did not evidently find the effort quite so mysterious as people, so much farther away in time and impact, do now. There is historical interest in the worst and most tortured possible construction you can place upon it, that it was done not because the South revered its dead, as people typically do, but because they hated the black living. The black living, with whom so many 20th-century white Southerners lived in close and often affectionate contact, as against Northerners ... We are gripped by the idea that the best use of history is to find in it the proof that your modern self is the better person. The only reason it is so easy for you to do so is because of distance - and, more crucially, not how many people do or don't care what you do with old statues and gravesites - but how few of them have the slightest idea of who those dudes are. Have you been in an American classroom lately? The ease of this process should be suspect - it rather takes the shine off your crusade a bit. Well, you might say, the South didn't win so it confuses the historical record to have statues of Losers up. What then would prevent you from going further and putting up statues of Union generals in their place? You would actually, in so doing, begin the process of absolving the South. Perhaps in time, there was no war. We Have Always Been At Peace With the North.

Visually that avenue is decidedly the most striking thing about Richmond; at any rate I remember nothing else.

As for Texas, nearly 8 of nine "new residents" (babies, arrivals) in Texas are Hispanic. Do you imagine for a moment they care a fig about the remaining invocations of the Confederacy down here?

Or that in a country that is seriously flirting with electing a man who once eagerly chanted "Here, there, everywhere, Yanqui must die", that the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier will eternally grace Arlington National Monument? Well, that Yankee and those Yanquis don't have anything to do with each other, surely; it's not the same ... But then what have you to do with the Civil War and its combatants on either side? Simply nothing.

There is nothing I have seen, that equals this mining of history to signal virtue, for demonstrating sheer contemporary narcissism.

And I was alive during through the so-called "Me Decade."

There are pictures from Monument Avenue, but it is difficult to imagine that this grandiose memorial is to a slave holder that led the Confederacy.

It really is similar to a Soviet monument celebrating the Red Army - if one could imagine anyone in the Soviet Union putting up a statue to Trotsky, a former commander of the Red Army, in 1960.

@prior calling anyone a loser.

The "confederate monument" in Lubbock is just a simple granite marker near the courthouse that explains who Thomas Lubbock was, mostly to explain from where the town and county got their name. No dramatic statue and no attempt to justify or defend the cause of the southern states.

But Lubbock was an officer in the civil war on the side of the south, so it is a memorial to a Confederate soldier. The county and city were not settled until well after the civil war, and Lubbock was not from the area (Born in South Carolina, died in Kentucky, buried in Houston, might have passed through the Lubbock county area as a Texas Ranger before the war, but not real connection to the county or city first settled 25 years after he died.)

Thanks for the info!

"The economy is cotton, health care, and Texas Tech"

So they have a socialist economy out there by the Panhandle? No wonder Kevin Williamson gets so salty about his old hometown.

So much for the unsullied by tourists - there is a certain type of tourist who just cannot recognize themselves when writing about tourists.

Besides, the best version of BBQ in the world is found at Big Bob Gibson’s Barbecue in Decatur, Alabama.

Tyler, you might like the town of well, Tyler, TX. Stanley's will stick to your ribs so make sure to wash it all down with some Shiner Bock.

It'd be nice to find another MR reader to hang out with in Tyler.

Be sure to check out the Tyler Cowan Center at UT Tyler as well.

I lived in Lubbock during the Buddy Holly years. My family then moved to Fargo ND. Two great places and times for a boy to grow up in. It was said that in the flatlands outside of Lubbock on a clear day you could see for 50 miles and if you stood on a bucket you could see for a 100. I've got great sandstorm stories.

Sounds like the first authentic comment I've read in the comments section so far for this post. My granddad was the first Greek to open a certain now famous business not involving food in Texas (he was one of the first Greeks in the South, this being the 19th century), but I'll not mention what famous business since it's a small world. The man was a pioneer too, he was friends with Tesla. Nikola Tesla. Speaking of energy and the current wars, this is a good rap video that mentions PATENTS: (Nikola Tesla vs Thomas Edison. Epic Rap Battles of History). Note the triple pun at the end.

>I've got great sandstorm stories.

Congratulations to Bob for putting together five words that have never been put together before. Rare these days!

Yeah, I went to Tech. We never tried to recruit faculty in the spring when cotton farmers are plowing. The daily sandstorms used to hit around 4pm.

I also seem to remember the new Medical school was down wind of the Ag department's feedlots.

And that was the Mac Davis days. He wrote the song, "Would the Last One Out of Lubbock, Texas Please Turn Out The Lights?"

Re: cold and wind. There is nothing but barbed wire between panhandle TX and the North Pole.

I had business for (it felt like) a year over two weeks in Borger. TX late in 1986. It housed HQ of Phillips Petroleum.

Has the oil industry picked up and departed TX?

Phillips Petroleum was headquartered in Bartlesville, OK, from its founding until its merger with Conoco in 2002. Maybe it had a unit located in Borger. For a town its size, Bartlesville's an interesting place to visit, btw.

Lubbock is on the very northern fringe of the Permian Basin and there is some activity here, but fairly modest presence in town. The oil business in the area is centered two hours south (Midland Odessa) and two hours north (Amarillo).

Bob, the expression is that you can watch your dog run away for a week, and Lubbockites have adopted the Arabic "haboob."

Spent one very long year in Lubbock for pilot training at Reese AFB (long since closed). Unrestricted visibility was reported as seven miles since that is how far a six foot tall man could see on a section of the earth with no terrain features. Left there agreeing with Mac Davis that “Happiness is Lubbock in the rear view mirror” .

> What’s not to like?

Every place you visit now needs to pass the test of imagining yourself unexpectedly stranded there for a couple of months under lockdown.

Not very likely possibility, though it is certainly in the realm of the imaginable. Much like being in a car accident or having some sort of problem that rises in probability for people 50 and older, such as a serious stroke or heart attack.

More realistic is the sort of planning the WaPo is reporting the Japanese are working on -

Bracing for a surge in coronavirus cases, Japan announced a new policy on Tuesday designed to focus medical care on the most serious cases, while urging people with mild symptoms to treat themselves at home.

It is radically different approach from that adopted by China, which has relied on locking down entire cities and keeping tens of millions of people virtual prisoners in their own homes, but it’s one that wins support from many medical experts.

The basic premise is that the spread of the virus can’t be stopped, so efforts need to focus on slowing the pace of transmission and reducing mortality rates.

Japan has confirmed at least 160 cases of coronavirus , aside from more than 700 people who caught covid-19 on board the Diamond Princess cruise ship. The government maintains there are small “clusters” of infections but not a large-scale epidemic.

“We shouldn’t have illusions,” said Shigeru Omi, a senior government advisor. “We can’t stop this, but we can try to reduce the speed of expansion and reduce mortality.”

"Oh Lord, stuck in Lodi again..."

California or New Jersey?

Clearance meant California, but it equally applies to Jersey.

Although I suppose today, the answer is Lombardia.

> What’s not to like?

Sad that a city that went 66% for Trump has way more crime than virtually every American city.

"The 2018 crime rate in Lubbock, TX was 509 ( crime index), which was 1.9 times greater than the U.S. average. It was higher than in 96.1% of U.S. cities."

According to this insurance company, Lubbock ranks #1 in property crime in Texas, is #6 for violent crime behind all the bigger Texas cities (Houston, SA, D/FW, Austin). Sure the insurance agents might talk their book but in the past Lubbock and Fort Worth used to duke it out for that coveted crime top spot so this is actually an improvement. I lived there in the 90s so I know of what I speak. Hated the crime but the tornados were fun.

A certain variety of tourist enjoys pointing out that their sense of adventure is not daunted by such considerations.

The buildings in Lubbock are old, the tallest building completed in 1955 (20 floors), and only one, a hotel, was built in this century (15 floors). The Weather Channel named Lubbock the "Toughest Weather City" in America. Like many small cities with a concentration of government owned property (Lubbock is the location of Texas Tech), the exempt tax base makes funding government and government functions a challenge, and often puts a disproportionate tax burden on taxable properties. That may help explain the paucity of new commercial properties. Lubbock sounds like a place one might wish to visit.,_Texas

I've been to Lubbock many times and it's a great place to visit. Not to live.

In '79 at the beginning of my career, I was sent to Lubbock. I found it to be a somewhat boring place to live. I was anxious to leave. A year later I was transferred to Hobbs, New Mexico, about a hundred miles away. There I learned that when the locals wanted to have some fun, they would drive to Lubbock. Be careful what you wish for. :)

Haha! Great comment.

Geologist, OFT?

Engineer. Definitely OFT!

Excited to see LBK make it on the list. Great place to live and to grow up. Top notch music scene as well. Put Tom & Bingos on the list if you're still hungry.

Maybe the Econ department at Texas Tech is recruiting! Should be a less expensive place to live than Fairfax County VA. Maybe an offer of a tenured professorship poses a good "rational choice" decision for our intrepid GMU economists. I don't know if the Mercatus Center would be part of the move.

Perish the very thought - when building bridges between favored policies and politicians, the shortest possible distance is priceless. As the Federalists are very aware of - it is cheaper to change a public law school's name than it is to move it to somewhere like Texas.

As Mason's founder is well aware, three words are definitive - location, location, location.

You obviously weren’t there on a day when the prevailing winds were from the feed lots. 🤮

Still, it isn’t without its charms. Too bad it’s in the middle of nowhere (which is ironically one of its charms).

You forgot that it's not on the main drag: I-40. You might think you'd be passing through Lubbock on some coast to coast road trip, but instead it's only Amarillo (the "only" is a fact here, no insult intended).

That's a weird thing: Lubbock is a fairly big American city at the end of a dead end interstate (no loop at all, like say, Rochester). I am sure there's a few others, but if you think about it, just about every other city is on the way between two other big cities on a path following an interstate.

If you're a connoisseur of such things, should you ever drive south of Lubbock on US 84 through Post, you'll probably notice the latter is a rarity in Texas (at least among towns that were not laid out along a railroad): its main street is perpendicular to the highway, rather than having become the highway, giving the town a completely different (and IMO better) aspect in this one particular. I noticed this oddity at once, and my husband directed me to the wikipedia article on C.W. Post. A little thoughtful design goes along way.

Until the I-27 was built connecting Lubbock to Amarillo and I-40, Lubbock was the largest city in the country not served by the interstate system.

And mostly for good reason, since few interstate trips would naturally pass through Lubbock.

This is a pretty fair assessment.

I’ve always suspected that the regional feel was part of being 4-6 hours’ drive from a large city in any direction (DFW, Austin, San Antonio, El Paso, Albuquerque, and Oklahoma City are weirdly all about the same distance).

It also used to be said Lubbock had more restaurants per capita than any city in Texas, presumably also a product of isolation/lack of other things to do. A bonus is it had Thai food before Thai was trendy and at least one Thai place (Thai Thai) is as much an institution as steaks and bbq. Also, not surprisingly the Mexican food is very good for those willing to look beyond the college strip.

The city used to be (probably still is?) dry, which led to a Vegas like “strip” of drive in liquor stores on the southern edge of town.

Crime is relatively high - though beware of reading too much into a single crime rate number.

Criticizing its flatness is fair, but it’s closer to canyons and even mountains than many realize, also lots of sun, a low horizon and being on the edge of the time zone make for nice sunsets and evenings that last until almost 10:00.

Fortunately the city is no longer dry (as of September 2009) and as a result "the Strip" is dead.

Good to know. Thanks

Weird that Lubbock is a hair south of me, and yet it's 33F there, and 52F here. Respective highs for the day, 50F and 82F.

Some things are non-intuitive.

High-ish elevation, 3,200’, and low humidity.

Also the heart of the Texas wine industry...such as it is...

Actually a pretty booming wine industry. Top-notch quality that can best many global regions. But as Texans, we love to keep all the good stuff to ourselves, so very little of it leaves our borders. What, with all the dang Yanks and Hippies always trying to steal our hoot-n-nanny and BBQ...

So that is it. Some people sightsee while Rome burns.

Hmmm...Lubbock does have zoning:

And plenty of homeowners associations. Maybe the reason that people who appreciate safe and pleasant housing in Lubbock have not had to organize political ly, is that, unlike in California, the local government is responsive to local needs and the libertarians haven’t outlawed private ordering via homeowners associations. When Tyler and the yes-in-your-backyard crowd finally have everyone rounded up into their Pruitt-Igoe v. 2.0 utopias, people will remember local government and private ordering fondly.

I like Lubbock, but a trip through what’s remaining of its’ clean, but barren, old downtown area is a poignant reminder of how far rural areas have fallen since the mid-20th century.

Texas Tech is a real gem though. Probably as a result of their remoteness and relatively recent growth (i.e. not much of a legacy or alumni network) they work very hard to prove themselves. It’s too bad that they don’t have the financial resources of a large endowment like UT or A&M. In pure bang-for-the-$, investments in TTU would go further than anywhere else in Texas.

also in the deal of the decade the local museum
recently acquired the Terry Allen archives

What's not to like? One of the highest STD rates in the 1st world, along with a strain which apparently is only avialable there and highly resistant to treatment.

Also any of the higher end restaurants are chains, which we know how Tyler feels about. That and the above average crime rate and having high exposure to the oil economy makes me say hard pass.

If you're going to talk about Lubbock, you're missing half the story if you don't understand the amount of impact the city has had on pop and mostly country music. It started with Buddy Holly, of course, but dig a little deeper and you'd be amazed the musicians that have Lubbock roots. It's an un-told story.

Any town's music scene that can gift us Buddy Holly, Waylon Jennings and Joe Ely (to name only 3) has a lot going for it, IMO

"What’s not to like?"

The fact that was part of a group of traitors who LOST The War of Northern Aggression.

Otoh maybe you aren't much of a a historian
lubbock didn't exist until well after the end of the civil war
In the 1860s it was mostly commancheria

Yes, the town was settled in the early 1890s but not chartered by the state until 1909 if I recall correctly.

Add to that there are many times folks in West Texas would like to divorce themselves from the east and central Texas parts of the state that did have slavery and send soldiers to war.

We do have a share of racists and general idiots, but no real cultural connection to the Antebellum south.

I will simply add that you are forgetting the greatest thing about Lubbock: the FMI where a bunch of a pretty original economists are creating a very dynamic research center in economics, political theory and economic history. Its worth underlining this.

"What's not to like?"

Uh, Texas...

Thank you.

I can't get this out of my mind: I've heard of tricorner hats, but not a tricolor hat.

Yes, and I'm wondering what the three colors are. Red, white, and blue, like Uncle Sam hats?

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