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The Netherlands is rolling out some 6,000 smart garbage cans that can only be used when residents scan an RFID-enabled ID card.  Besides monitoring just how much trash someone disposes of, the cans will also measure and charge the user based on how much refuse they tossed.

Here is more.  Can they join the Pigou Club?  Not so clear.  Still, oddly enough, I don’t think this will do much to encourage littering or illegal garbage disposal.  It may encourage the purchase of less packaging and waste.

For the pointer I thank @ModeledBehavior.


What about the smart litterers that drop the garbage in front of it?

Damnit!!!! You beat me to it!

Easy you just install cameras to watch the trash cans. And then you'll need cameras to watch the cameras, of course. ;)

'It may encourage the purchase of less packaging and waste.'
Sort of like the long running process which describes the DSD (Green Point) in Germany, or ARA in Austria? The system(s) implemented when companies that actually sell packaged items rejected the idea that should be responsible for having their customers return the packaging back to its creators?

Or would this describe the policy of a company like Aldi (a company that ate Wal-Mart's bloated lunch in Germany), which sees packaging as nothing but a cost - from the point of buying it, transporting it, storing it, and disposing of it? After all, when you sell 5 million packages a day, saving one gram from each package has a direct relationship to your shipping costs. And having more compact packaging means less warehousing/transport space is required. Some companies think so ruthlessly in such terms that they destroy competitors on price, especially the ones unable to understand that packaging is essentially a wasted expense, and not a marketing advantage when price is the critical determiner of purchasing decisions. (Since Aldi has its own stores, and also owns Trader Joe's, it is possible to see how this works, even in the U.S.)

However. packaging waste isn't really a customer choice, as any normal American supermarket so clearly displays.

Aldi "ate Wal-Mart's" lunch not because Wal-Mart is bloated, but because Aldi is German. Aldi is doing fairly well in the U.S., but most retailers struggle in other countries (see Royal Ahold, Carrefour).

'Wal-Mart is bloated'
Compared to Aldi, it is - which is directly reflected in price comparisons. Walmart spent a lot of money advertising its low prices, advertising which Aldi never matched. Mainly because Aldi knew that German shoppers were actually able to compare prices, and remember where to buy at the lowest one.

There is a lot of additional details, which are really appropriate here - Walmart is bloated, at least if the stories from people who knew people working in the former Wertkauf HQ are to be trusted, and compared to how Aldi is structured.

A solid overview of how Aldi, both of them, are doing in foreign markets - http://www.forbes.com/sites/walterloeb/2012/05/17/aldis-trader-joes-is-a-winner/

All the Germans who I spoke with said that Walmart lost because it creeped them out. Being greeted at the door they said was creepy and made them not wish to return. In addition many of them told me they stole the "free" shopping bags in large qauntity, because in german society the bags are seen as valuable (most places charge you for the bags).

I wouldn't say WLM is "bloated", but Aldi is relentlessly efficient. In the US, you can easily see the focus on minimizing costs: the quarter deposit for a shopping cart means they don't have to have labor bring them in; the spartan shelving and case-cutting saves stocking labor. Not only does it save money, it reinforces the low-price image so Aldi doesn't have to advertise it.

Seems like a needlessly hi-tech solution.

In Zurich,one had to use 'regulation' trash bags for their household garbage when I was last there. (Luckily, the trash bag I had used to carry some laundry was not ruined by my use and my uncle avoided taking a hit for my improper use of his trash bag).

I was thinking about the ZH law as well. I knew numerous people, who would collect their garbage in plastic bags and drop it in street bins on the way to work, to avoid the expensive regulation bags.

Expect small garbage piles next to these garbage cans.

Its Holland so a lot of people will start free loading by doing this and others will pick up and trash it for them.

"Rolling out"? They've had that in Holland for years. It's even been in the news because of the potential hackability of the chips:
(Google translate will make sense of it).
Also, the reason for needing an ID isn't just to measure how much garbage a given person/household produces, but also to prevent "garbage tourism", i.e. people from nearby using another neighborhood's garbage facilities.

Do they allow for more trash for larger households? And do they provide for free and convenient recycling?

Is this a joke?

Do they not realize people will just throw their trash on the street (perhaps directly from their apartment windows) if they charge for garbage cans?!?

I mean, one is already doing the community a huge favor by using the cans, so they are basically kicking the altruistic citizens in the nuts hard.

You know, I've never thought just how good an example of commons problems we can actually solve. Charging people for the waste they produce but that doesn't go into the sewer is not easy, as this problem shows. If we invoke the State, we can use public money to contract someone to clean up our garbage for us (see Sandy Springs, GA) in such a way that it won't be ridiculously inefficient. As long as we can find some taxable good or service that approximates the amount of garbage produced (land, income, sales, deliveries?), there won't be much deadweight loss as a result, and I should it to be much lower than what would come out of having trash cops.

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