Gangland average is over the rent is too damn high, Southland edition

From the LA Times:

So many gang members have been priced out of the neighborhood, he said, that their presence can be hard to spot during the week. But on Fridays and Saturdays, they make a pilgrimage back to their roots. They ride in from El Sereno, Eagle Rock, even the Inland Empire, to hang out. Each Monday, trash cans and stop signs wear fresh “ExP” graffiti.

“It becomes a weekend gang,” Arellano said.

The pointer is from Binyamin Applebaum.

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Like everything else, The Simpsons got to it first:

"Our prices discriminate so we don't have to." I wonder how much the fall in urban crime is due to that statement. (Probably also explains low births in East Asia.)

the rent is too damn high in my neighborhood (my home keeps going up)

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Paging Steve Sailer...

Tyler's point is drawn from my review of Matthew Yglesias' e-book "The Rent Is Too Damn High," which looked at the economic situation confronting the two youths who played Knockout King with Yglesias's face on 5/14/11:

http://takimag.com/article/the_rent_may_be_too_damn_low_steve_sailer/print#axzz2sLIzzo4s

He failed to take the guns and dogs approach to security.

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As the story notes, they still live in neighborhoods of Los Angeles, just not their old gang neighborhood.
But they don't have a connection to the new neighborhood, and so don't try to restart their gangs there, instead they live out a shadow of their former gang, weekend only, involved in petty tags to show a 'presence' without establishing an actual, 24-7 presence.
The schools in the area still mainly cater to lower-income folks, and LA does have rent control for many units... the crime drop is probably elsewhere (and in LA, city of cars and smog, is most likely heavily impacted, in a positive way, on the drop in lead in the environment).

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I am not sure attaching "average is over" to every article about "something changes" is a rigorous idea

Well see, it's "average is over" because the administrative gang jobs have been automated out of existence, and the gains in efficiency have... uh...

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Well, there is this old-fashioned term called 'SEO'. It explains much of how this place works, without even needing to look behind the curtains.

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This is a big reason why crime rates have crashed in the SF Bay Area as well. There used to be some pretty dodgy neighborhoods in places like east San Jose, Redwood City, East Palo Alto, and a few neighborhoods in SF itself, and many areas of Mountain View and Sunnyvale were decidedly "blue collar", with their own gang issues. High prices have driven many of the gangbangers out of the area completely, replaced by two-engineer families able to afford the $750K+ used-to-be-crackhouses.

But crime has fallen in the whole state, dramatically.

Does the falling crime rate in the state also account for crimes committed inside prisons? We lock up a larger percentage of people than most countries. It is a very expensive system.

I only look at homicides - it's the only crime statistic which is even remotely reliable. Whether prison homicides are included or not won't matter for California as there simply aren't enough of them to move the needle.

Agreed that homicides are a reliable statistic. Hard to game the number of dead bodies.

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"It is a very expensive system."

It is cheaper than not locking them up and suffering their crimes.

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Gentrification is a nice white lady word for driving the black people out so their kids can have a safe place in the city. In the 70's blacks were 15% of San Francisco and half the population of Oakland. Today blacks are 6% of San Francisco and 27% of Oakland. It turns out that middle-aged Chinese software engineers prefer hitting the boutiques and restaurants, rather than knocking off the liquor store or selling smack.

The easiest first wave of gentrification is to use Hispanics, with their significantly lower crime rates, to drive out African-Americans from a metropolis.

Is that what explains the demographics at the Oakland Raiders home games?

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That was the DC model. Hispanics were quietly welcomed to the city, even though MS13 setup shop and started killing people. But, they killed their own and drove out black crime from their areas. Now you see them getting pushed out in favor of bobos. Unlike East Asians who take over an area and never give it back, Hispanics seem to lack the organizational skill to ward off the yuppies and their zoning laws.

Indeed.

Don't rule out South-Central Los Angeles as potentially the great gentrification mecca of, say, the mid to late 21st Century. The weather is superb, the neighborhoods are close to jobs and the beach. The Latinos are currently pushing out the blacks, so in another generation, whites and Asians might feel secure enough to push out the Latinos.

Also, Southern California is quietly filling up with a new breed of tougher, meaner white people from the ex-Warsaw Pact. They don't want to live around African-Americans, but they see Latinos as weak competition who can be pushed aside. In places like Valley Glen in the SFV, the Eurasian immigrants just buy up houses and then erect intimidating tall fences around their frontyards with lethal finials to send the message to the Mexicans of whose block it is now.

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Gotta love the 18th century casual racism in this thread.

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You meant Mid-21st Century, except it's already here in Los Angeles, the city of the future.

By the way, this new phenomenon of, shall we say, Insensitive Whites moving in to Los Angeles has gone almost wholly unreported, but it's quite noticeable on the ground.

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Why don't they just charge more for drugs? When their customers need blow at 2AM are they going to have to drive around half the city?

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What fraction of gang members are ZMP workers?

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You know it's because drug users are on a very tight budget. Who wants to spend their prostitution and armed robbery gains on overpriced low quality drugs?

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They ride in from El Sereno, Eagle Rock, even the Inland Empire, to hang out. Each Monday, trash cans and stop signs wear fresh “ExP” graffiti.

“It becomes a weekend gang,” Arellano said.

Hm. I wonder if the same sort of social and economic forces were at work in that vibrant motorcycle rally in New York that ended with one dead prole and a bobo pulled from his Range Rover and beaten.

The way forward Is clear: we should unleash more of those social and economic forces and see how things end up.

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Split Californ-I-A into six states. Then the gang-bangers can exercise their market-choice.

PS @Collin at the top - discriminating against East Asians AGAIN?

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Property developer has a huge parcel of land. He divides it into two identical sections. On the right half he offers building lots for $25,000 each. On the left half he offers building lots for $75,000 each. People ask him, "What's the difference?"

He replies, "$50,000. Who would you rather live beside?"

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