Taylor Swift, Straussian?

Taylor

The singer is launching her own Taylor Swift-branded clothing line next month, on the platforms of local e-commerce giants JD.com and the Alibaba group, with t-shirts, dresses and sweatshirts featuring the politically charged date 1989.

The date – as well as being Swift’s year of birth – refers to her album and live tour of the same name, which she will perform in Shanghai in November.

But the date – and the initials TS – are particularly sensitive in China, as they signify the Tiananmen Square massace in 1989, when hundreds of students were killed in pro-democracy protests.

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Nah, just oblivious.

+1.

Well, the Straussian mood affiliation reading using big data metrics ould lead to the amazon tag line 'average is over'.

But let's be honest - when has this web site ever cared about any successful woman?

@P_A - so you think Ms. Emily Chamlee-Wright is not successful and unloved?

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She doesn't count because she is a gender traitor who has sworn allegiance to the all powerful and evil Mercatus Center!

p_a is a gender warrior too? That's the biggest shark he's jumped so far.

Pfft, you think p_a cares at all about gender? Hes just desperate for any brush to tar TC with. If he cant find something useful to disagree with, he just makes shit up.

I'm already struggling to understand "mood affiliation". What is "Straussian mood affiliation"?

Straussian as i understand it is reading between the lines. “Straussian mood affiliation" is mocking the lingo that Cowen commonly uses.

I'm still trying to understand what Tyler means by "mood affiliation".

(Yes, I have read his blog post

http://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2011/03/the-fallacy-of-mood-affiliation.html

in defining it, but it's not clear to me.)

Ian David Ross says that mood affiliation is just another name for confirmation bias. Is that accurate?

http://www2.danceusa.org/ejournal/post.cfm?entry=what-we-talk-about-when-we-talk-about-race

Yea, pretty much. Id say there is an element of "i believe this because thats what i want to be true" in there as well.

I think of mood affiliation as "I believe X because people I really admire believe X, and I like to think of myself as being like those people."

Thanks, MOFO, for your reply.

If mood affiliation is just confirmation bias, then why would Tyler come up with a redundant name for an established concept? (He seems too smart and articulate to make this error.) Given how smart Tyler is, what is it about mood affiliation that is different from confirmation bias?

(Tyler: It'd be great if you could step in on this - thanks.)

I'd also add that mood affiliation can refer to taking positions with less regard for accuracy than for balancing the karmic scales, from ones perspective.
Think "always sticking up for an idea/person because they are generally maligned unfairly" or "I cannot bring myself to praise this person even when they are doing something i like because they are bad".

I have assumed that mood affiliation is similar to Robert Nozick's normative sociology: “Normative sociology, the study of what the causes of problems ought to be, greatly fascinates us all” from Anarchy, State and Utopia. The marginal distinction being that confirmation bias implies that you have looked at a range of potential causes, identified one as the most probable and then only pay attention to evidence that is consistent with that one explanation. Normative sociology implies something slightly more primitive. Only one cause is conceived of as possible and all evidence is interpreted to be consistent with that one cause. The skipped step is the initial conscious evaluation of alternative explanations.

Megan McArdle? Deirdre McCloskey?

'it can be two things'

I shall henceforce always imagine Taylor Swift's 'Style' as being sung by the Goddess of Democracy to Tank Man:

Midnight,
You come and pick me up, no headlights
A long drive,
Could end in burning flames or paradise
Fade into view, oh, it's been a while since I have even heard from you (heard from you)

I should just tell you to leave 'cause I
Know exactly where it leads but I
Watch us go 'round and 'round each time

Bravo!

And, of course, these lines are about that most subversive topic of all, Taiwanese Independence and Chinese efforts to block it: "You go talk to your friends, talk to my friends, talk to me; But we are never ever ever ever getting back together; Like, ever..."

Regarding the whole Tiananmen Square thing, China should just "Shake it off."

Indeed. If they truly wanted to censor it, then they should have trademarked it first.

Never 'eard of 'er.

Taylor Swift's album 1989 is an elaborate piece of art which clearly was designed to overthrow the Chinese goverment.

Nobody figured the Velvet Underground would help bring down the Iron Curtain, but that happened, too.

Or Dallas for that matter.

"...the Tiananmen Square massace in 1989, when hundreds of students were killed in pro-democracy protests." They were anti-communist protests, regradless of how media and academics spin these things.

They were called the "'89 Democracy Movement" in Chinese.

"When Hu Yaobang suddenly died of a heart attack on April 15, 1989, students reacted strongly. Hu's death provided the initial impetus for students to gather in large numbers.[39] In university campuses, many posters appeared eulogizing Hu, calling for a revival of Hu's legacy. Within days, most posters were writing about broader political issues, such as freedom of the press, democracy, and corruption."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiananmen_Square_protests_of_1989#Protest_development

Spawning that well-worn gem of Chinese comedy: "Hu died of a heart attack?"

Too soon? I don't think so!

Hu's dead?

The Tiananmen Square "massacre" was an Maoist race riot and attempt to bring back the cultural revolution.

I don't get the title of this post - why is Tyler suggesting that Taylor Swift may be a Straussian?

It is part of Tyler's continual invocation of Leo Strauss, which I haven't figured out whether is an intentional or unintential misunderstanding of Strauss' theory of interpretation. In this case, that Taylor Swift is intentionally signalling her solidarity with Chinese pro-democracy/anti-communist elements by referencing having been born in 1989 and being very commercially successful.

I get the anti communist thing but Strauss was anti democracy as well, so who exactly would she be signaling solidarity with? Who are the political leaders in China with whom a Straussian would have solidarity? Who reflects Plato, Aristotle, and Cicero in China? And how in the world does Taylor Swift reflect Plato, Aristotle, and Cicero? With Cowen, one never knows if his references to Strauss relate to the esoteric (which some would call deceit) or philosophy. It's usually the former (word play).

Strauss was a republican (small r), not a democrat (small d). It is a little unfair to say he was anti-democracy. A democratic republic is a type of republic.

Unlike Tyler, I am old enough to remember Strauss as a living human being, and although he was not my professor, his influence at the U of C in the early 1970s was immense. Basically the school - consisting almost entirely of nerds - was divided between Friedmanians (I was one) and Straussians. Those were interesting times.

No, it is more than a "little" unfair. Strauss was a thoroughgoing anti totalitarian.

What is Tyler's definition of "Straussian"? (I can't find his definition via simple Googling.)

Thanks for your reply, Norman.

The noble lie.
Pretty sure TC is joking here.

The Taylor Swift is built on inoffensive bubbly nonsense. So, no, not Straussian.

"Chinese Democracy" took Axl Rose 13 or so years to make, but it didn't bring democracy to China

Yet. If, according to the sentence misattributed to Zhou Enlai, it is too early to judge the French Revolution, how can be know how "Chinese Democracy" will affect China?

Stop dropping "Straussian" as if it makes you sound smart or something. Strauss was mediocre, and you sound like a lame, not very bright, pseudo-intellectual.

Damn!!!

I used to think that, too, Michael but then I read about Strauss's reflections on Nietzsche and Heidegger and found his treatment of their historicism interesting and deep.

Strauss wrote very little on Nietzsche and Heidegger (or any German thinker for that matter). His critique of them is not very interesting or perspicacious. He just shoehorns them into his general moralizing anti-historicism.

Imagine. Taylor thinking of that. Capitalist slut.

Me too. Capitalist slut - I like that. Soon appearing on the bumper of my car!

Starting to think Cowen : Strauss :: Aristophanes : Socrates is not entirely inaccurate (understood according to the Straussian line, of course).

Tyler, this was funny. Pay no heed to the humorless scolds.

Meanwhile today, Taylor Swift is in trouble not just with East Asians but also with sub-Saharans:

http://www.unz.com/isteve/coalition-of-the-fringes-circular-firing-squadthe-exchange-was-quickly-seen-by-the-media-as-a-feud-and-fans-of-ms-minaj-got-involved-to-comment-on-the-broader-issue-of-race-in-music-and-to-critiqu/

It's like a J.P. Rushton fever dream.

She's a weird bitch.

Looking at that Tibetless China map, it does include Taiwan. So if China could trade Tibet for Taiwan, especially if it could retain Tibet as a client state, would it be worth it?

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