Molenbeek notes

Molenbeek is the “Islamist” section of Brussels which recently became well-known as a breeding ground for terror attacks; it is sometimes described as a kind of desperate hell hole.  The Time Out guide for Brussels doesn’t mention it at all.  Naturally I wanted to see it.

I visited yesterday morning and saw the fruit, vegetable, and clothing market, and then walked around for another two hours.  It was charming, everyone was friendly to me, and I never felt threatened.  I bought some excellent cherries at a very good price (“cheap cherries,” and the surrounding streets offer “cheap charcuterie” as well).

Most of the people seem to be either Moroccan or Turkish.  The high ratio of Muslim women to Muslim men in the market was striking.

On the vegetable but not the clothing end of the stalls, I saw a fair number of blond Belgian women pushing their baby strollers and buying produce.  On my way in from the airport, my (white) Belgian cab driver told me he lived in Molenbeek and loved it, including the low rent — my apologies to Thomas Friedman of course.

Inside the boundaries of the market is a well-known Art Deco church from the 1930s, which upon first glance appeared to be an old mosque tower.  At that moment I was surrounded by hundreds of Muslims, and so was primed for the mosque look I suppose.  I walked up the stairs of the church to the door, and found it was barred and showed no signs of life.

One plaintive-looking Belgian man was standing on the steps, and he asked me quietly (in French) “Are you here for Mass?”  “Yes,” I said, not wanting to end the conversation.  “You’ll have to wait, then,” was his dead pan response.

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Yes, the Moroccan neighborhood in Antwerp is perfectly nice, and the Fez restaurant there is quite good. Hope you manage to get some eel in green sauce.

BTW, with 76% of the vote in in UK, Leave is 3.6% ahead. I think Boris Johnson's closing appeal for "independence day!" at the Wembley Park debate Tuesday night put it over. I predict no further interest rate hiikes for the rest of the year by the Fed. One pundit forecasing a pound plunge to $1.20, which will moderate the expected hit on the UK econmmy.

BTW, last weekend in Brussels the police arrested several people suspected of planning a terror attack in connection with the European "football" tournament, probably to hit some venue where people would be watching a match. So, Molenbeek may seem not so bad, but it is apparently still harboring some not so nice folks who want to harm others.

"apparently still harboring some not so nice folks...", oh, never mind that the mastermind of the Nov. 2015 Paris massacre was hiding there for a number of days after the attack without anyone saying anything to the police. Cheap cherries!

Typical Libertarian / Open Borders BS. Molenbeek is, if anything, considerably worse than it is made out to be. Try living their as a Jew, gay person, liberal Muslim, liquor store owner, etc. Quotes from

"Molenbeek broke my heart - A former resident reflects on his struggles with Brussels’ most notorious neighborhood"

"Over nine years, I witnessed the neighborhood become increasingly intolerant. Alcohol became unavailable in most shops and supermarkets; I heard stories of fanatics at the Comte des Flandres metro station who pressured women to wear the veil; Islamic bookshops proliferated, and it became impossible to buy a decent newspaper. With an unemployment rate of 30 percent, the streets were eerily empty until late in the morning. Nowhere was there a bar or café where white, black and brown people would mingle. Instead, I witnessed petty crime, aggression, and frustrated youths who spat at our girlfriends and called them “filthy whores.” If you made a remark, you were inevitably scolded and called a racist. There used to be Jewish shops on Chaussée de Gand, but these were terrorized by gangs of young kids and most closed their doors around 2008. Openly gay people were routinely intimidated, and also packed up their bags."

"Slowly, we woke up to reality. Hassan turned out to be a crook and disappeared with €95,000, the entire budget the tenants had pooled together for our building’s renovation. The neighborhood was hardly multicultural. Rather, with roughly 80 percent of the population of Moroccan origin, it was tragically conformist and homogenous. There may be a vibrant alternative culture in Casablanca and Marrakech, but certainly not in Molenbeek."

"I finally left Molenbeek in 2014. It was not out of fear. The tipping point, I remember, was an encounter with a Salafist, who tried to convert me on my street. It boiled down to this: I could no longer stand to live in this despondent, destitute, fatalistic neighborhood."

The above quotes are not in the original orders. The article is Politico EU and was written by Teun Voeten.

This is grim reality that Open Borders really amounts to. A place so vile that "bobos" can't stand it. Tyler, Alex, and Bryan should move their for a year or two. Then we have learned commentary about the virtues of barbed wire for stopping uncontrolled immigration.

SIC

The above quotes are not in the original order. The article is from Politico EU and was written by Teun Voeten.

Not in the original article, Peter? How far up your ass is your head stuck to put up a bunch of fabricated second tier garbage? Is your head sticking out your mouth? You should be ashamed of yourself.

Barkley Rosser,

Alas, reading comprehension seems to be declining of late.

I wrote "The above quotes are not in the original order" which is correct.

However, they are all from the original article, word for word. Check out the original article and see if you can find any errors.

Good luck with the that.

'The high ratio of Muslim women to Muslim men in the market was striking.'

Wait, it is striking that women do the shopping?

Haven't visited any workday markets in Germany for a while, have you?

" it is sometimes described as a kind of desperate hell hole."

Yeah, sure, by people who are seeking to explain terrorism through the insufficient hospitality theory - the west is insufficiently accommodating to violent youth hostile to their host societies and sympathetic to a radical medieval death cult. Maybe if we bend over a little further and open up a little more invitingly, says the liberal and the libertarian.

There is that, but there are also people on the right spouting off about Muslim "no-go zones" in European cities.

You really do not believe that there are parts of Malmoe (Sweden) where the ambulance drivers refuse to go without police escort? Or do you believe that Sweden had the same problem, say, 50 years ago?

I'm fairly disinclined to believe that.

Oh brother:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42jpuXJPk0w

All,

A few notes from an authority

"Muslim "No-go Zones" in Europe?" by Daniel Pipes

"I entered the housing complex in an unmarked but recognizable city-owned car driven by a city employee who had been tasked with showing me around. Unfortunately, being mostly a paper-pusher and not experienced in the field, he got spooked and abruptly turned around to leave, raising suspicions among the drug dealers around us, who proceeded to set off the alarm.

A motorcyclist and a truck then zipped ahead of us and boxed us in on a nearby highway. Sitting in the car's front passenger seat, I was accosted and threatened by four young thugs. The city rep pleaded with them, telling them I was a visiting sociologist. They responded first with threatening comments and then by throwing a piece of concrete the size of a football through the back window. Luckily no one was injured, and they let us leave after the intimidating incident had concluded. I provided the mayor's office with audio, video, and still photographs of the thugs and their license plates."

"This incident was the great exception to my 28 other visits to predominantly Muslim areas in Australia, North America, and Western Europe. In all of these places – call them ZUS (French: Zones Urbaines Sensibles, or Sensitive Urban Zones): I "went" without problems, traveling sometimes alone, sometimes not, in an anonymous rental car during daylight hours wearing normal Western casual male clothing – not in a police uniform, a priest's habit, skimpy clothing, or with a kippa."

"In contrast, Brice De Ruyver, the former security adviser to a Belgian prime minister, has stated that "We don't officially have no-go zones in Brussels, but in reality, there are, and they are [found] in Molenbeek." Yet, I drove and walked about Molenbeek, also in January, freely taking pictures of people on the street, stores, and whatever caught my fancy, and no one paid me attention. I felt completely safe."

"Likewise, I earlier strolled through Rinkeby, a notorious district of Stockholm, on a November 2014 afternoon without encountering so much as a hostile stare; yet a local policeman has testified in reference to Rinkeby that, "If we're in pursuit of a vehicle, it can evade us by driving to certain neighborhoods where a lone patrol car simply cannot follow because we'll get pelted by rocks and even face riots. These are no-go zones. We simply can't go there."

How to reconcile these experiences? My visits establish that non-Muslim civilians can usually enter majority-Muslim areas without fear. But things look very different from the governmental point of view. On a routine basis, firefighters, ambulance workers, and even social workers meet with hostility and violence. For example, days after I visited the Marseille slum, its residents shot at police preparing for a visit by the prime minister of France. Thus does it and its ilk represent a no-go zone for police, a place which government representatives enter only when heavily armed, in convoys, temporarily, and with a specific mission."

You often can't go into these places as a conspicuous journalist either, with cameras and such.

Sorry, P.S., Pipes may have once been an "authority," but not any more.

"A few notes from an authority... Daniel Pipes"

This is the same Daniel Pipes who warned during the first Gulf War that invading Iraq and toppling Saddam Hussein would unleash sectarian warfare and then reversed himself in the 2000s in time for the second Gulf War. He is a hack.

All,

If you can find any flaws in Pipe's reporting... Please point them out. Pipes speaks French and reads Arabic and German. His knowledge of the topic(s) is deep and frequently based on his first-hand experiences.

Playing guilt by association games and engaging in McCarthyism won't change the grim facts on the ground that Pipes has reported.

53 vulnerable areas in Sweden
There are 53 areas in the country, to varying degrees, victims of serious crime, have a low socioeconomic status and where the police should target specific interventions. It beats the police stuck in a new report.

15 of these 53 areas classified as vulnerable. Six areas deemed high risk areas and 32 areas vulnerable. The concept of risk area is a level between particularly vulnerable and prone area.

https://polisen.se/Aktuellt/Nyheter/2016/Jan-Mars/Feb/53-utsatta-omraden-i-Sverige/

Those areas were previously named "no-go zones" but this was apparently too edgy. The worst 15 are found in Malmö, Göteborg (Gothenburg), Stockholm, Södertälje (40 miles from Stockholm), Linköping, Örebro, Växjö. From the map and what I've heard, Gothenburg seems worse than Malmö at this time. (For a listing, see associated pdf report, p.29.) As a rule, it's banlieu-style neighbourhoods that were previously occupied by the Swedish working class.

Even the chief of police, spineless amoral politico that he is, has had to mentioned some of the symptoms of the accumulating 'parallel societies' as the phenomenon is known.

At the same time there is a major challenge that troubles. In the country's most vulnerable neighborhoods, there is a very worrying development. Criminality, which often gives the impression in official statistics, affects the vast majority of law-abiding in these areas hard. There are murders, shootouts and open drug sales. Police officers and others who work in areas subjected to stone throwing and violence. The criminal has a large force of capital. 15 year olds can go about gun armed. The fear of the criminals means that many do not dare to report crimes or testify. There are elements of parallel structures of society with its own norms, economy and justice. In several areas there are young people who are drawn to violent extremism.

Some concrete examples that illustrate the situation:

A family where both children and adults suspected of serious crimes have a strong impact on an area. School and social feel to the family violence capital and therefore feel a concern that decisions concerning the family.
Drugs hidden in the convenience store shelves to evade police arrest. Shop holders know this but do not dare contact the police.
A well-known criminal arrested after driving for close to 200 km / hour. He stopped a while later and has remained the driving license. The officer who allowed him to retain the license, suspected to have been threatened.
A group of criminals frequently visiting a lunch restaurant where they sit for hours and eat without paying for them. Their menacing behavior scares off other lunch guests. The staff do not dare to intervene.
The police seize a car. When one of the officers who participated come home at night, he discovers that someone has loosened the lug nuts on the family car.

https://polisen.se/Aktuellt/Nyheter/2016/Juni/En-parallell-samhallsutveckling-staller-polisen-infor-stora-utmaningar/

Here is a related phenomenon I haven't heard mentioned abroad, police fishing. What would the Chicago PD do?

Recently police were alerted to an address in Tensta [Stockholm]. On an access balcony was expecting some young people with a heavy manhole cover.

- It is not common that someone is trying to throw the manhole covers on the police. But "the police fishing", which lures the police into an ambush, are unfortunately quite common, says Mats Eriksson, Information Officer at Västerort police.

In some cases, police patrols have been trapped when the roads blocked with vehicles.

http://www.metro.se/nyheter/poliser-luras-oftare-i-bakhall/Hdzoja!2n2VBphVq8NdFrsLuAYXA/

Some of the formatting and the beginning of the comment seems to have been lost. My apologies.

No Brexit post yet?

41% of the population is Muslim in Mollenbeek,> 30% unemployment. Brussels may become majority Muslim by 2030 due to both high birth rates and marriage migration. More than 60% of Moroccan and Turkish youths marry partners from their home countries.

The insecurity in Molenbeek has forced multinational companies to leave the municipality. In June 2011, for example, the American advertising agency BBDO abandoned Molenbeek after citing over 150 assaults on its staff by local youth.

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3442/belgium-islamic-state
http://www.lacapitale.be/regions/bruxelles/2011-06-17/insecurite-a-molenbeek-la-lettre-de-bbdo-a-moureaux-881494.shtml

I agree it was a lovely neighborhood decades ago before it became an Islamic enclave. Where is it now, the glory and the dream ( of integration)?

I suggest visiting in the evening, not in the daytime. Tyler might get a better feel of why people avoid the place.

Besides, as a tourist one doesn't see the community tensions. Try visiting a school and ask both sides what they think of each other.

Maybe. Maybe not. Have you been there?

TC in Molenbeek: Cheap Cherry Edition. Priceless.

Yes, that does seem to be the Tyler motif. Tyler really needs to publish a series of low priced, regional food guides with a heavy economics theme.

I think Tyler wants Third World travel without having actually to travel to the Third World.

Regular cab or Uber?

Pork charcuterie?

Scots-Irish tourist wanders around Molenbeek. People smile at him and he swoons.

How many people there are net tax consumers? Did he meet behind closed doors with any Muslim men? Will Muslims selling groceries to each other pay for First World infrastructure? Come on Tyler.

"Molenbeek is the “Islamist” section of Brussels which recently became well-known as a breeding ground for terror attacks..."

Other than that, Mr. Lincoln, how did you enjoy the play?

You should have worn a yarmulke.

Or held a man's hand, or accompanied a woman in a short skirt. A leftist might suggest that you check your privilege.

Compton in the early 90's was safe to walk and shop during the day, too. Try going back at night.

Yeah, same with the bad parts of New Orleans.

Surprisingly TC fails to mention if he sat in on any clitorectomies in his little travel brochure. Oh well, I guess the women can just absorb it, kind of like how Obama says the US can absorb terror attacks. Much better than potentially hurting some one's feelings or insulting Islam. http://eige.europa.eu/sites/default/files/documents/current_situation_and_trends_of_female_genital_mutilation_in_belgium_en.pdf

Was in Brussels last year for the 200th of Waterloo - wandered all over the city. The worst area was just north of the Old Town - right by the train station.

Otherwise, I felt FAR safer there than I would in large sections of American cities like Detroit, Chicago, Philly, etc

And yes, I also drove around the country quite a bit - from Bruges and coast to Bastogne - great place to visit and I'll certainly go again.

Bottom line: Is it perfectly wonderful awesome? Of course not - but by and large, it fares reasonably well and Belgians are pretty cool people.

IOW - the press is guilty of overhype

Racist.

Keep in mind too that TC is a dark haired guy with an unassuming air and dress style. He wouldn't stand out at a glance, especially in a place with a lot of Turks.

Another open borders shill.

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