The general lesson still has yet to sink in

Apple Store’s Temperature Checks May Violate EU Privacy Rules, Says German Data Protection Office

Of course they do.  And yes, I know that is a small thing, and furthermore temperature checks may not even be effective.

The general point is this: you cannot over the longer run have a society based on such inflexible rules of adjustment.  For decades it may seem possible, due to underlying stasis, but eventually the truth will be revealed.  No single anecdote will be so convincing, and it will take a long time for the failures to pile up.  And in the meantime this will breed disrespect for the more valuable laws.


And of course they don't either, as the article makes explicitly clear - "A data protection agency in the German state of Hesse is concerned that Apple's temperature checks on customers violate European Union privacy rules and has launched a probe, according to Bloomberg Law.

The Hessian data protection agency is working with other German data protection authorities, according to a spokesperson for the Hessian Data Protection Commissioner. There are no results yet from the probe, which is aiming to determine if temperature checks infringe on data protection rules."

Germany tends to be a bit more sensitive than most places when looking at behavior that separates people into different groups, such as those allowed to enter a public store, and those who aren't. Assuming everyone is wearing a mask/face shield - the law there is clear, and any German Apple store can immediately bar anyone not wearing such. Further, if such a person attempted to enter the store, employees could call the police. People being given tickets for not following the law helps breed respect for laws that apply equally to everyone in society.

A lesson that still has to yet sink in among some.

But those are two different pieces of information, one utterly useless, the other could be useful for the health and safety of the store employees. Someone wearing a mask is an indication of some statistical possibility. Someone's elevated temperature is an indication of a potential infection that could harm other occupants of the store.

The medical privacy laws create the situation in my province where the 500 or so active cases are simply a number for curious data enthusiasts, but the hard reality is that the other 5 million people in the province are expected to act as if everyone is infected. The net result is that day by day more people are acting as if no one is infected.

'the other could be useful for the health and safety of the store employees'

As many Germans would have agreed with in the mid 30s, as effective hygiene programs to remove an undesirable population of blood sucking ticks from German society were starting to get underway. Including dividing the population into those allowed to run stores, and those not allowed to, as a start.

And it takes faith to believe that such temperature checks would be any more effective than masks. That is, not much at all.

Hmm. So if an Apple watch beeps because the wearer has a temperature, some German officer will yell "Geh runter auf den Boden". Everyone but the Apple watch wearer will drop to the ground.

You are making Tyler's point. Some stupid notion of everyone is equally ill makes these petty rules absurd, and as we are seeing extremely costly.

Why would anybody in Germany care about a beeping watch? We are instead talking about Apple installing equipment that decides who gets to enter and who doesn't. A subject which, for obvious reasons, is exceedingly sensitive in Germany.

People without a fever can be contagious, and those with an elevated body temperature may not be infected. This is fever theater, in an attempt to convince customers that the Genius Bar is a safe space, where no one will get triggered by the wrong type of virus.

So Germans will to this day grab someone they consider infected, break a few windows for effect and cremate them to make sure the problem goes away? Wow. That hasn't hit the news.

From police throwing people to the ground to breaking windows and cremation, you really seem to have a certain framework when it comes to Germans. Who seem to be able to handle coronavirus fairly well till now, on the whole. Maybe they aren't as driven in their daily lives by fears of excessive liability, in comparison to Apple's management?

The key statement is that temperature checks aren't effective. Just as masks aren't effective.

You aren't talking to an actual German. It's the Troll prior.

"no shirt, no service"

Someone on Twitter made the comment yesterday, if you're suddenly upset about wearing a mask into a store, why do I have to wear pants?

This is another sad instance where people are used to all sorts of requirements, they are invisible to daily life, but one more becomes visible and they don't know how to respond to it.

Because they're idiots.

Mask wearing, (until this pushes down a bit) glove wearing, and temperature taking, should be an easy new normal.

This shouldn't be that hard people.

“ NEW YORK (AP) — Democratic lawmakers want police departments to be vigilant about any racially biased policing during the coronavirus pandemic, as people in communities of color express fears of being profiled while wearing masks or other face coverings in public.”

You were saying...?

Is that a smart answer Slappy?

And because you evidently don’t hear about news in your back yard, here is what happens when your rules are enforced against those idiots.

“ A Target security guard broke his arm during a brawl with two men after they were confronted for allegedly not wearing masks, Los Angeles Police Department said in a statement Monday. The would-be shoppers were charged with assault, police said. ”

But hey, you live the privileged life of being a wealthy white guy. You don’t have to worry about being black, or homeless, or a Target security guard.

That was certainly not a smart answer either.

I propose that we all get smart and work together on this, and you shoot back with the examples of people behaving badly.

Do you think two guys at Target should really determine the national agenda?


From my perspective it is not really a coincidence that we have stupidity at the top and stupidity all the way down.

Until we decide to change it this is our national status quo: Imbecile president, imbecilic plans, imbecilic response.

I mean sure let's talk out both sides of our mouth about how it is both too soon to open up and the freedom demands it.

Why should America in 2020 be coherent?

So the POTUS made them break a Target doorman’s arm.

This is a totally reasonable take and not insane

Is that what I asked for?

Or is this just your standard attempt to disrupt a call for rational policy?

"This is a totally reasonable take and not insane"
"Is that what I asked for?"

Well he's got you there Skeptical. You failed to ask for sane.

Why should anyone take lessons from a mentally deranged former GMU employee obsessed with TC and who now fancies himself an authority on Germany?

"this will breed disrespect for the more valuable laws."

The war on terror and the war on drugs already done in any respect for law for a generation. Look at the vote earlier yesterday where the Senate gave the government powers to look at people's web browsing and internet search history without a warrant. That is quite the spin to say the FISA court process is broken (which it was, see Carter Page and other surveilled Trump associates) so let's remove oversight and checks and balances to make it warrantless (the bait and switch).

The article says the Senate rejected a law to impose a warrant requirement before collecting logs from ISPs and phone companies. It is preserving the status quo, not removing an existing warrant requirement. For that matter, even in a conventional criminal case, the police don't need a warrant to look at your phone logs or even emails in some cases -- a subpoena to the provider will do.

The status quo being the Patriot Act. It's been almost 20 years since 9/11 and these powers are still in effect. Endless wars = unlimited power.

Technically, the Patriot Act was a *limit* on government power, not an extension of it (i.e., due to how the Internet works at a technical level, there are no Constitutional limits on governmental action in that sphere. Hence, the need for *statutory* limits like the Wiretap Act and the Patriot Act).

You could argue that the balance struck should be different...but not that it gave the government any additional "power"

There are no non-libertarians in a pandemic.

Except for almost every US state which shut down the service sector for over a month, and the cities contemplating mask requirements, and there was this multi trillion dollar bail out.

>multi trillion dollar bail out.

Multiple, multi-trillion dollar bailouts so far. Don't forget the Fed bailed out Wall street... for the second time in less than a year.

Western "individualism" has been a caricature of itself for the past 15 years, just continuing a long sad descent into global irrelevance, but these posts will at least be nice historical totems to ideological stupidity.

Though there is a pandemic spawned state capacity libertarianism which undoubtedly meets Palantir's standards for libertarianism.

Prior’s comments about Palantir are always hilarious.

The reality of Palantir is so underwhelming compared to the hallucinated version

CNBC wrote this recently "Palantir Technologies is targeting a valuation of at least $26 billion in a private fundraising round, the first for the Peter Thiel-backed data analytics startup in four years, according to sources." Someone is hallucinating, but it seems underwhelming to bet against Thiel and his associates, who are able to raise money on the order of billions of dollars for a 17 year old company.

Unless one thinks that Thiel will get involved in obvious frauds like Theranos purely to make money, which seems a bit harsh for a man with his principles, who has expressed an interest in the restorative properties of blood transfusions from young people.

So prior’s name is Charles ? Interesting.

Yes, the reality of Palantir is underwhelming. They hemorrhage cash every year, their business plan makes little sense, and their product offerings are not better than anything else on the market.

Hopefully you understand what private fundraising target valuations means. And what it doesn’t mean. And how that’s gone for firms like Uber, WeWork, etc.

You fell for the marketing. Their products allow querying and visualization across different data warehouses.

And it’s not even the best on the market

You think Palantir exists in a free market? They are a government contractor so business plans, product offerings, and being the best on the market don't mean squat. Political connections is the real currency here and Palantir has it in spades; seeded by Thiel and CIA, with connections in FBI, DoD, Army, Marines, and now HHS (never let a crisis go to waste). If they put offices in all 50 states, they can feast on any defense/intelligence pork barrel project birthed into existence by Congressional budgets.

Thiel does not care whether Palantir is an under or overwhelming product, he only cares about profiting from it. As aptly noted by Tim T., who seems to understand Palantir's basic business much better than you - it is all about the ability to pocket large amounts of money from the government's ever flowing coffers.

Which also requires the services of whatever shills are available, including those discovering the advantages of creating and espousing state capacity libertarianism as a new mood affiliation.

You seem oddly credulous, and not skeptical at all, when it comes to making money from the sorts of offerings that Palantir provides. You may want to check your priors too - Prof. Cowen is all about creating the proper stories in a DC context. He clearly knows nothing about tech, except the importance of providing the proper narrative when tech wants DC to shovel more cash its way.

Almost all of this is wrong, prior. (and tim)

As aptly noted by Tim T., who seems to understand Palantir's basic business much better than you - it is all about the ability to pocket large amounts of money from the government's ever flowing coffers.

Roughly 10% of Palantir's business is in the government sector. Is 10% "all about"? No, it's not. You have no idea what you're talking about. As usual.

Which also requires the services of whatever shills are available, including those discovering the advantages of creating and espousing state capacity libertarianism as a new mood affiliation.

90% of their business is in the private sector. Although at least you got to call people shills and troll Tyler, so win? I guess? The best part about your paranoid delusions regarding Palantir is that they usually lose their government contracts.

You seem oddly credulous, and not skeptical at all, when it comes to making money from the sorts of offerings that Palantir provides.

I know exactly what Palanatir offers, I've used their products, and I can't say a ton more about it because there are NDAs involved. But let's say this:

Palantir's product offerings are almost exclusively geared towards the private sector, with two main product lines (one is more for finance). Their product is.......okay. It can be useful. It's not a best solution, but it's an okay solution.

Palantir is mostly a marketing scheme. Useful idiots such as yourself play it up, it gets undeserved press and attention, and Venture Capitalists throw another $5 billion into a company that hemorrhages money every year.

How long until it becomes the next WeWork?

Nobody is served well by entities enabling government surveillance (not just US Federal, state and local but also the Middle East) and private sector surveillance (Facebook) being in the hands of one person. Markets and democracies are less free when the information asymmetry is this broad and widening. This is no longer about empowering individuals but empowering big faceless bureaucracies that seem less interested in serving their constituents than in obtaining more government power.

Facebook and instagrams entire business model is built on data surveillance. And all of their users know this and nobody really seems to care.

If you want total privacy, give it less info. The choice is completely yours.

The choice isn't completely yours because Big Tech places trackers on most major websites and your friends might upload a picture of you on Facebook even if you don't have an account. They even own the web browser (Google Chrome), the operating system (Microsoft), and your phone (Google Android). Even if you live off the beaten path with say Linux and Firefox, your workplace will very likely use these services so congratulations the Big Tech Panopticon has found a foothold on private citizen Bob from AcmeCo.

Never underestimate the EU’s desire to make life difficult for US tech firms.

Their jealousy is palpable.

Lol beyond palpable. The French economy, sans US public goods contribution to their frontier curve, would barely look much different from their Belle Époque day’s....

But at least they’d have Von Hausman’s Paris and L’Ecolle Beaux Artes. The Americans have never done urbanism very well.

Trump's trade war made it hard for US tech firms too. Maybe he was jealous of Bezos.

I've been to the dentist this week (in Switzerland) and the first thing they did is taking my temperature. Makes absolute sense to me. Fortunately, we are not part of the European Union.

Because you can’t tell when you have a fever? And you would have gone to the dentist if you had one! Temperature checking seems overrated. I actually agree there is a place for temperature checking though, particularly for unnecessary things like theme parks, but sick people still need to travel, and do a few other things. Civil liberties and all that.

I sure as heck don't trust everyone to monitor themselves and do the right thing to protect others. Did you see the crowds of Americans storming state houses with no masks screaming in the faces of police officers and passersby in the US? They clearly don't care.

The odd thing about that situation is that the police officers are more likely to be infected than the people protesting.

Yesterday there was a report that 40 meat plant inspectors working for the Canadian Federal government were found to have the infection. It can be portrayed in two ways; unprotected government workers being placed in harms way, or the inspection apparatus for maintaining the safety of the food supply are a source of infection.

If any spread happened at these protests, I don’t think a temperature check would have helped prevent it. If you have a fever, you either feel too shitty to stand on your feet and scream for hours or you take some Tylenol and don’t have a fever any more. Temperature checks may catch the occasional moron or someone unlucky enough to become symptomatic en route to an event/appointment, but Natural human behavior make most temp checks pointless. Kind of like how most people work from home when they have a cold or take enough Sudafed you can’t tell they have a cold.

If any spread happened at those protests, we would have heard about it, so apparently it's incorrect to dismiss the protestors' concern for their health.

On the other hand, CNN is still pretending that Chris Cuomo didn't break quarantine *while sick.* It's the privileged people who are showing that they don't care and shouldn't be trusted.

And in the meantime this will breed disrespect for the more valuable laws.

It starts early with "laws of majority" that require an arbitrary age for certain activities, like driving, smoking, drinking, etc. Since all-seeing, all-knowing government can form an individual relationship with every citizen but can't evaluate the maturity of each of them, unrealistic and arbitrary dates must be set up for legal entry. The day of the 21st birthday is the day one is able to drink responsibly, not a day before. Currently, all Americans freely drive over the speed limit without fear of arrest or fine. At the same time, few doubt the enforcement of the violation of handicapped parking, a ban that most drivers feel will be sure to get a ticket.

Not just the "all-seeing, all-knowing government" but also the "all-seeing, all-knowing employer". More and more business are spying on their own employees. It starts with a good excuse like making sure they aren't watching too much Youtube but it metastasizes into full blown workplace surveillance. NPR:

"I just feel like crap. I feel like I'm not trusted. I feel ashamed of myself," she said, referring to a short break she took to speak with a colleague by phone. "My co-workers were really, really upset. But everyone was too afraid to say anything."

I know an Apple employee, and customers must give their consent to get a temperature check. No consent, and they don't enter the store.

'No consent, and they don't enter the store.'

I can see why Germans would have a real problem with that, especially if the name of the person being checked is being stored in any way.

As Bruno Maçães says in his latest book:

"Europe, old Europe. Europe still suffers - deeply and personally - from the moral ruins of Auschwitz ... it is enitrely possible that European politics have been forever ruined by Nazism."

Because if there is one thing that Americans and Europeans used to unequivocally agree on is that the Nazis were genocidal murderers, whose ideology goes far beyond repugnant into actively evil. Of course, there are a few people still around hoping that Dolphie baby will finally get his 1000 years in the sun, complaining that eugenics has been forever ruined by the Nazis, for example.

The rise of the progressive movement 70 years after its defeat shows that the evil ideas behind fascism and Nazism have not died.

One part of GDPR for websites is that you aren't allowed to just have a huge blanket list of terms and say "accept it all or get out." You have to provide fine-grained permissions and only demand essential things. Like, Uber really does need your location data to work.

I'll be honest: I'm not sure how that's really enforced to decide what's "essential" and what's not. But I've watched people try to figure it out and it seems to be making sense.

The purpose of the probe may be to establish that the temperature checks do not violate the EU's privacy laws. It's ironic that the privacy probe is taking place in Hesse. Americans will recall that the approximately 30,000 Hessian mercenaries hired by the British to fight the American revolutionaries were brutal, and were fond of decapitating the dead and wounded American revolutionaries and putting the heads on top of stakes placed on the battlefield. If exhibiting the decapitated heads of the American revolutionaries didn't violate AU (American Union) privacy laws, I don't how merely checking the temperature of the heads of Apple customers would violate privacy laws. On the other hand, maybe the dead (heads in this case) have no right of privacy.

To comply with GDPR, actions involving sensitive data must fulfill the following:
1) The data handler must store, retrieve and process data in a way that protects the data from third-party contact.
2) The data handler must only retrieve data that is related to an *essential* function of their business, and this data retrieval must be *proportionate* to the value of this data.

What is being probed here is
- The data is not stored, so there is no concern here.
- Is containment of contagion a legitimate aim of Apple Stores? One would be inclined to answer yes.
- Is the temp check *proportionate*? This is more difficult to answer, since the predictive value of elevated temps for COVID-19 is low, given the relative prevalence of other infectious diseases and the large number of asymptomatic carriers.

It is fun however to see this compared to Cowen's opposition to forcible quarantining, which by the same standards would be approved: it is clearly an essential interest of the government to limit contagion, and the intervention is clearly related to and proportionate to the overall interest.

These are interesting academic questions, and I'm certain that a bunch of functionaries can be employed for a long time coming to a determination.

Of course if they look very carefully, doing full due diligence, collecting all the information from all the parties concerned, making sure anyone with an interest in the matter can contribute to the discussion, they can come up with a decision within two years.

By then the pandemic will be over and done with.

I should have read down to here before commenting above. This is good context.

But isn't there a pretty reasonable fear that The Powerful want to use the present emergency to permanently cut back on civil liberties? We hear a lot about how Orban in Hungary might not give back his emergency powers, but not that Susan Wojcicki might not give back her emergency powers at Youtube.

What's a reasonably length of time for emergency powers to automatically expire unless renewed by a public vote of the legislature? 365 days like in the Roman Republic? 90 days? 30 days?

Shouldn't we be talking about this?

Sure we should.

Just one pedantic point: 365 days (or rather one year, which before the Julian calendar was not always 365 or 366 days) was the normal term for a consul. Emergency powers were given to a "dictator", not for one year but for six months maximum, and for a specific task. If the task was done before six months, the dictatorship ended immediately, and this is what happened in most of the dictatorships there were during the Roman Republic.

In our times, emergency powers are always extended, never shortened.

You're marked a "denialist" and an apostate nowadays and are barred form public discussions, called a racist, and otherwise eliminated as an 'undesirable' or 'untermensch' in modern politics.

Yes, I've made that point for weeks here and elsewhere. If this is war, then we need (a better) version of the War Powers Act for national emergencies, "stay-at-home" orders, etc. Confinement orders should be approved at the very least by a super-majority of the appropriate legislatures. This would serve two valuable purposes: First, it would raise the bar for invoking states of emergency and would, even if imperfectly, put something of a brake on abuse of authority. Second, it would require political buy-in and ownership. Since Katrina we've seen every natural disaster used as an opportunity for political posturing and blaming. In this environment, any executive is likely to do anything to send a short-sighted *signal* that he or she is doing something and most times those signals are ineffective, inefficient and even stupid and the sole reason for that is to avoid political attack. This is exactly what we are seeing in the present case.

Lol I feel the greater message of all of Tyler’s posts get lost on the regulation obsessed fan boys on this blog.

Obviously, with laissez fair speed will kill. Bad tests, bad treatments, bad data handling-there is no doubt about that.

But lack of speed in a pandemic kills faster. We live in pandemic peanut butter because the CDC and FDA could not get out of their own way fast enough to allow for some kind of test back in January or February.

Laissez fair kills but regulation can kill us all faster in a pandemic. Those that can’t make trade offs are part of the problem....

But maybe the blue tribe is right. If only Obama era bureaucrats had free reign during this time, everything would be so much more functional at every level of this pandemic response.

Remember that the White House with immense foresight eliminated the Pandemic Response Team a year before.

This is a vast oversimplification of what occurred.

there are multiple pandemic tacking teams in the US. the elimination of one of these bureaucratic nightmares does nothing to the overall response.

" does nothing to the overall response."

It certainly must have since the response has been rather incompetent, impotent, and underwhelming.

As opposed to previous responses to suspected pandemics?

I was alive and politically aware during Swine Flu and Bird Flu - the panic then was real too; the response form the CDC was even more inept.

We were only saved from those by the grace of them being relatively non-serious and the Government not panicking.

Temperature checking is pandemic theater! We already know that most infections are asymptomatic as in TEMPS WON'T GO UP! This is a terrible idea for businesses who I'm sure have the best of intentions but will piss off the false positives.

Are you advocating to remove metal detectors from airports because they only detect one form of weapon?

I don't understand what Tyler is trying to say.

It is quite simple. This virus is going to be with us for a long time. The two options so far presented are severe limitations on normal societal and business activities, or seeing April happen again.

A third alternative is to find ways to operate and socialize that doesn't create problems. The barriers to doing so are insurmountable, not technically, not socially but bureaucratic. This is one example.

I'm dealing with this right now. The professional colleges who regulate every aspect of practice are utterly useless when called upon to come up with guidelines so that clinics can provide necessary care. Practitioners are expected to come up with solutions, time is of the essence, and the people who have the state power are utterly incapable of dealing with the task at hand.

I've been watching for another middle management muckout of the North American economy, but this is unexpected.

At tHe start of WWII, the U.K. government ordered a complete blackout. No lights outside and dark shades or no lights inside. Was that a violation of people’s constitutional rights or an invasion of their privacy?
All these current trumped up reactions - whether by bureaucrats justifying their existence or private fringe groups - to common sense measures are ridiculous. They are temporary. No store in their right mind will check temperatures once the virus is defeated.

In North America they came up with headlights that didn't reflect light upwards. A technical solution to a serious problem that allowed vehicle travel.

There would be 8 regulatory agencies and half the States that would opine on the matter, and as you describe by the time it was decided the whole thing would be over.

I'm finding it difficult to imagine who would approve of this being the case.

But there will be plenty of governments that will want to insist that stores, churches, clinics, and political organizations continue to keep a log identifying every visitor. They will insist that contact tracing might become necessary again sometime in the future.

Can’t wait for those no-knock test and trace warrants. Just a little reminder for those of you confused about why some people won’t be telling the government the truth regarding their Covid test history.

“ Breonna Taylor, a 26-year-old EMT worker in Louisville, Ky., was shot in her bed after midnight on March 13 by three police officers serving a “no-knock warrant,” becoming another statistic in the long list of African-Americans killed at the hands of police. What makes the case unusual is that Taylor was a woman.

And, of course, she was asleep.

The incident is still being investigated and Taylor’s family is suing Louisville Metro Police Department Officers Myles Cosgrove and Brett Hankinson and Sgt. Jonathan Mattingly alleging wrongful death, excessive force and gross negligence. According to the suit, the police fired more than 20 rounds in the apartment. Taylor was hit eight times and pronounced dead at the scene.”

The only way to have a society that can do complex things and can adapt quickly is when there are corresponding innovations in trust, cooperation and management. This is what economic growth without those improvements looks like.

Consider how common it has become for modern politicians to use the flexibility built into our political system to impose their will on any policies that had been previously implemented by the other side. Trump is hardly the first President to do this, but he is the most persistent. We simply do not respect each other, and have no respect for the processes we use to make politically compromising decisions.

We don't just need flexible regulatory institutions. We need good faith too. Right now, we have exactly the government we deserve.

Bingo. Trust.

That's what the utterly unprincipled and opportunistic scorched earth politics, pervasive high level corruption, and unpunished pathological institutional behavior has brought us.

Not to mention the endless drip drip drip of Libertarian whining about government, serving as ideological cover for the destruction of democracy and its replacement with our kleptocracy state.

Doesn't matter who you are, there's vast swath of the government and/or corporate sector and your fellow man that you deeply distrust.

Then how does one explain the phenomena of Cleveland, Detroit or Baltimore??

These are cities run by Democrats for the last sixty or seventy years that do not work. Mini “failed states” to quote the parlance du jour, or does one simply forget all that?

How do you explain the war on poverty?

Urban renewal?

Or does all of that just get side stepped so you can retrofit Ron DeSantis, Donald Trump and Milton Friedman into every argument as to why government in America doesn’t work....

I think you are the poster I asked the other day if your reply was meant for someone else.

You seem to be making some sort of rhetorical leap in your replies that imply a prior rhetorical bridge that you seem to view as self-evident.

Meanwhile, the highly partisan and (not uncoincidentally) incoherent Wisconsin Supreme Court just tore off the steering wheel and chunked it out the window.

I am sure this is all the fault of the mid-level bureaucrats and career scientists at the CDC.

...George your ceaseless, highly partisan trolling is admirable - though you do have a few moments of coherence and clarity.

The Courts/Judicial Branch are inherently a check against exactly the kind of things going on in California, Wisconsin, Michigan, Kentucky, etc.

True, but let's accept that this "check" and the corresponding unresolved tensions in our governance are why we have the problems that this thread is about.

It isn't about petty, small regulators. It is that we are fundamentally at odds about how to proceed.

At some point, we have to accept that we have become incompetent.

Tom is precisely correct. Although his way of saying it is far less fun.

In my own defense, the tone I adopt here is in response to the ceaseless myopic trolling by the authors. You reap what you sow

Thank god you are here George! It’s always good to get IYI-blue triber-conformation bias addict take on things.

If only we had more sensible democrats in place, everything would be going swimmingly.

Exactly how much is left of the rational-neo-liberal wing of the Democratic Party? By my estimation, it will not be around for much longer. The Rham and Zeke Emmanuel dutiful bureaucrat wing will eventually get swallowed up by the wokepocalypse.

At a certain point the center will not hold and your big uglies(AOC, Bernie, Warren wing)will take over.....

Lots of temperature screening happening at many EU airports. Maybe even in Germany.

The general lesson is that we need governments never to investigate potential law breaches by American corporations.

Is the problem that the sugar daddy would have already been arrested in his home country for his political agitation against democracy?

That was then
"The registration with the police of any change of address is common in European countries Germany it was introduced in the reign of Frederick the Great."

p.140 The Germans: , George Bailey (1991)

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