What scientists think about scientists

by on December 26, 2016 at 1:36 pm in Data Source, Education, Science | Permalink

Both male and female scientists felt that female scientists (light bars) were more objective, intelligent, etc. than male ones (dark bars), although the differences were larger when it was female scientists making the ratings.

I found this interesting too:

Strikingly, though, early-career scientists were rated as having less objectivity, integrity and open-mindedness than PhD students – or so thought the senior scientists.

Junior researchers, however, saw themselves as being slightly superior to PhD students…

Here is more, via the excellent Samir Varma.

1 Anon. December 26, 2016 at 2:46 pm

This feels incomplete without some data on actual objectivity, intelligence, etc.

2 fakor January 1, 2017 at 2:17 am

it was interested for thx

3 derek December 26, 2016 at 3:10 pm

So now science is about feeling that someone is smarter, or more capable, or smells better.

4 Thomas Taylor December 26, 2016 at 3:46 pm

Research about what one THINKS usually is.

5 Albert December 26, 2016 at 3:12 pm

Nerds can be quite the cucks, begging for the female approval they never received. I don’t think they’re any more rational than ordinary people. They believe what they do because it’s “popular” rather than rational. I say this as a self identifying nerd.

6 Thomas Taylor December 26, 2016 at 3:45 pm

I really love how desesperate the Super Mario Storm Front Brigade gets every time someone mentions women. The idea most men can have normal relationships with them seem to elude Mario’s lovers, hence that compensating fantasy: men who spend more time with actual women than with Princess Peach (sorry, can’t bother enough to see if it is how it is written) must be being cheated — I mean, who has ever heard of men who don’t cause women revulsion, right?).

7 Lauren Duca December 26, 2016 at 4:43 pm

I love the liberal brigade that assault and accost women who are conservative. Shouldn’t you be out hunting Ivanka Trump with your friends? #rapemelania

8 Thomas Taylor December 26, 2016 at 5:10 pm

Have they already grabbed her by the *****, taking a page from Trump’s classy book? I love how Con-sertvaive women can get interested by women issues when here is a tribal name attached to it. Caring about women in genertal? It is evil Feminism.

9 too hot for MR December 26, 2016 at 5:24 pm

Weird how the party that cares so much about women would keep rallying behind, say, Anthony Weiner. How would you compare Trump’s behavior with women to that of, say, MLK Jr. or a typical member of the Kennedy clan? Do their dalliances horrify you, or do you simply not contemplate them?

10 Jan December 26, 2016 at 5:38 pm

If we’re doing what-about-ism, here is a summary and some analysis of sex scandals among D and R politicians. Dems had the upper hand back in the day (your Kennedy comment), but Republicans been much more prolific recently (congressional pages and Mark Foley). It seems everyone’s a hypocrite.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/04/10/how-republican-and-democratic-sex-scandals-differ/?utm_term=.90256c67b3ff

11 Naj December 26, 2016 at 5:48 pm

The left actually defends attacking conservative women but whatabout.

“#rapemelania” – Jan’s social circle on twitter

12 Thomas Taylor December 26, 2016 at 5:48 pm

By “rallying behind” you mean defeating his attempt to become a mayoral candidate?
“How would you compare Trump’s behavior with women to that of, say, MLK Jr. or a typical member of the Kennedy clan?”
Yeah, the behavior of men dead before I was born shocks me — also Eisenhower sleeping with his driver (don’t worry, the driver was a she — the General’s honor is saved). There is a reason those things were kept secret even in 1961 (those evil Feminazis!). It is a shame we don’t have tapes of Nixon discussing how really hot Tricia Nixon was. And yes I would be outraged even if Kennedy claimed he was just doing locker room stuff.

13 Art Deco December 26, 2016 at 6:43 pm

(congressional pages and Mark Foley).

John Kennedy once told the prime minister of Britain, “If I don’t get a strange piece of ass each day, I get a headache’. Mr. MacMillan’s assessment of the Administration: “Rather like the Borgia brothers have taken over a respectable north Italian town”, which is an insult, when you think about it, because Sam Giancana wouldn’t have tolerated those Borgia candyasses in his gang.

Having Secret Service agents present during his escapades and pimping the 19 year old Mimi Alford to David Powers was a creative use of Presidential droit de seigneur.

At least he didn’t do something really transgressive, like talk dirty to AC-DC high school students.

14 Jan December 26, 2016 at 8:06 pm

Yeah, all my Twitter and real life social circles have been talking about nothing but raping Melania for months now. All the Social Justice Warriors demand it!

#whataboutismformebutnotforthee

15 Jeff R December 26, 2016 at 9:33 pm

Good lord, you people all suck.

16 Nah December 26, 2016 at 9:43 pm

The left is really out there harassing and attacking conservative women and defending it from thei media institutions l, but you concern troll losers are hyper-focused on Trump’s offhand comments that no one on the right is celebrating.

#rapemelania you violence-celebrating scumbags. #killallwhitemen you racist clowns.

17 Jan December 27, 2016 at 12:21 am

Nah, just because you type it doesn’t make it true.

18 Naj December 27, 2016 at 1:13 am

I mean, Ivanka was actually harassed by two Hillary supporters on a Plane and then a giant moron named Lauren Duca defended the harassment and here you are to 1. pretend it didn’t happen, followed by 2. defend it, when the sheer scale of media coverage proves that it happened. In the mean time, what are your thoughts on white genocide professor? A. white genocide is dope, kill whitey. B. It was totally satire, even if he made a clarifying tweet in which is supported an actual genocide of whites (including raped white children), or will you C. pretend this never happened, like the Ivanka harassment, despite massive news coverage? GO!

19 Whatabout December 26, 2016 at 9:14 pm

Wanna really unsettle the old guy? Start a #rapeTrump hashtag.

20 Nah December 26, 2016 at 9:49 pm

Why do that? Just actually try to assassinate Trump like a leftist already did, or actually form a group of men around a white female Trump supporter and attack her like actual leftists did, or be a leftist journalist and defend the harassment of Ivanka Trump on a plane. Or just be Jen and cosgn on all of this violence against the right while crying about words because you’re such a pathetic, little man.

The left is complete scum. The only reason the left exists today is because the right won’t use the left’s methods of violence, boycott, and ideological discrimination against it. BLM in communist Cuba would all be shot and killed, and their family’s wealth seized. That’s the difference between the right and the left. That is why it is so hilarious when Donald Trump proposes leftist methods of aggression and the leftists start crying. They are violent, hateful cowards.

If Thomas Taylor could push a button and kill all white male conservatives, he would do it. That’s the difference between a leftist and moderate Trump supporter.

21 Whatabout December 26, 2016 at 10:58 pm

Man grow up, most of the straw-filled murderous leftists you are crying about are trolling you and you are falling for it hard. Thomas Taylor is delighted with this post of yours. You’re the Trumpista version of a safe space college snowflake.

22 Naj December 27, 2016 at 1:15 am

Actual assination attempt on Trump: Booooooorrrrrring. Actual professor celebrating white genocide: borrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrring. Actual professor claiming the jews did 9/11: borrrrrrrrrrrrrrring. Actual attorney and professor harassing Ivanka on a plane: borrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrring. Trump claiming women let him touch them: OMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMG

You morons are transparent hacks.

23 Whatabout December 27, 2016 at 1:33 am

OK, growing up is not on the menu.

24 Alain December 27, 2016 at 11:09 am

Sad little liberal, your tactics are plain for all to see and you’re crying. Poor liberal.

You lost all levers of power and you’ll never get your way, poor liberal. You are the worst.

25 Hari December 26, 2016 at 4:46 pm

Of course most men can have normal relationships with women, that’s by the definition of “normal.” Afghan women have “normal” relationships with their menfolk. I admit, I envy the Chads. I don’t envy the “normals” I see living under the thumb of their womenfolk. You are probably a “normal.” You are happy to mock and insult “nerds” because, hey, you gotta have someone to look down on. You are one of the winners. Keep on telling yourself that.

26 Thomas Taylor December 26, 2016 at 5:05 pm

The wymen. Oh, the joys of Super Mario are so greater… Seriously, the bitterness of poor guys get ever more para entertaining. Men who actually manage to talk to women? Cucks all. Oh, Super Mario…

27 Real thomas taylor December 26, 2016 at 5:40 pm

Trump said means things about women, the sexist! We can’t judge acid burnings, gangrape, and paedophilia! Everything is America’s fault. #killallwhitemen

28 Thiago Ribeiro December 26, 2016 at 6:03 pm

I really like the retards, they are desperate people trying to make sense of things. Why are real women so “means”, why aren’t they as impressed by them as Princess Peach? The problem must be cucks (i.e. men who actually manage to talk with real women), Muslims, Mexicans. Maybe they can not “get laid” because Democrats want to kill White people? It is that Clinton again, isn’t it?

29 (((JD))) December 26, 2016 at 7:52 pm

I’m sure the women just can’t enough of you. I can just feel your happiness, radiating through the computer screen.

30 Nonymous December 26, 2016 at 8:04 pm

Looks like Thiago forgot to use his sock.

31 Thiago Ribeiro December 26, 2016 at 8:16 pm

Because we share the same first letter, I see. Boy, when you learn to read more than a letter at a time, you will be the soul of this forum.

32 Thiago Ribeiro December 26, 2016 at 8:18 pm

“I’m sure the women just can’t enough of you. I can just feel your happiness, radiating through the computer screen.”
Should he be happy about you? OK, I won’t ask, don’t tell me, it is not my business.

33 albatross December 27, 2016 at 12:00 am

A good quick rule of thumb for evaluating food is that if it contains high-fructose corn syrup, it’s probably junk food. In exactly the same way, a good quick rule of thumb for evaluating a post on the internet is the word “cuck.”

There are surely *some* intelligent comments that toss around the word “cuck” as an insult, in much the same way that there are surely *some* reasonably healthy foods that have HFCS. But that’s not the way to bet.

34 (((JD))) December 27, 2016 at 1:37 am

Well, you could actually address the point that was made. I think there’s something to it, in my company, the tech workers are significantly more likely to be liberal than those in managerial or sales positions.

35 Slocum December 26, 2016 at 3:32 pm

So…male scientists are slightly sexist, while female scientists are substantially so? And neither feel any social desirability pressure to lie about it?

36 A B December 26, 2016 at 4:30 pm

I interpret this as an indication that Scientist is not a prestigious occupation.

37 Keith December 26, 2016 at 4:37 pm

So female scientists suffer more from irrational biases towards their own gender?

38 too hot for MR December 26, 2016 at 5:09 pm

I interpret this is male scientists being some mix of gracious, pressured, and dishonest. Female scientists likely feel put upon to prove themselves beyond the rigors facing male scientists in a mostly male setting, explaining the high self-appraisal.

39 Thiago Ribeiro December 26, 2016 at 8:20 pm

What about junior and senior scientists? Seriously, why Americans obsess about sex? It is sad.

40 TMC December 27, 2016 at 1:19 pm

Americans don’t, women do. Blacks obsess about being black. Most people don’t give a crap.

41 Jan December 26, 2016 at 5:39 pm

Lower the status of women.

42 derek December 26, 2016 at 5:47 pm

Or lower the status of anyone who would even deign to answer the question. A scientist is judged on their work. Colleagues, co-workers, bosses, underlings and other more menial relationships are judged on how people smell.

43 Slocum December 26, 2016 at 6:39 pm

Exactly. Is ‘rational’ a well-defined construct? And is there any data for the comparative rationality or intelligence of male and female scientists? If the answers are ‘no’, then why would any rational scientist be willing to even provide an answer?

My sense is that if you asked ANY question where female scientists could plausibly be given a higher rating (e.g. not ‘which sex is generally taller’), you’d have gotten the same pattern of answers. Yet another variation of the Althouse Rule.

44 Randall Parker December 26, 2016 at 5:49 pm

I feel that our feelings would tell us a lot more about is true if only we spent more time listening to our feelings.

45 derek December 26, 2016 at 6:24 pm

And if we publish it in a scientific journal it gets called science, which will make us feel even better.

46 M December 26, 2016 at 6:34 pm

The differences are almost not significant for male scientists, in rating males or females. But the females have a clear, strong own gender bias.

Though if you ask them who, specifically, among their peers, are the most brilliant, or innovative, or design the most interesting projects, I wonder what the genders are of the specific people they pick?

47 WILLIAM REEVES December 26, 2016 at 7:36 pm

We need to remember that in many disciplines 50 to 70 percent of all research pushed in refereed journals can’t be replicated. Having scientists rate themselves is like holding the NBA draft at a midget convention.

I’dike to see an objective comparison of academic scientist ethics and performance experience vs. that of commercial scientists where they are measured on, you know, results, not popularity.

48 Viking December 26, 2016 at 8:58 pm

Might be interesting to see how these same “scientists” explain the lack of success of women in the hard sciences, must definitively be sexism!

49 Jan December 27, 2016 at 12:29 am

I can’t think of a single goddamn reason beyond pure lack of intelligence that would hold womyn back from succeeding in the HARD sciences. Fertility is going down and stupidity is going up.

50 Jacob December 26, 2016 at 8:59 pm

Hmm. Is the story here that female scientists think that female scientists are more rational, objective, open-minded, and intelligent? As it was pointed out above, it seems that data on rationality, objectivity, open-mindedness, and intelligence is needed… a daunting (impossible?) task.

At any rate, an interesting article.

51 Thomas December 26, 2016 at 11:20 pm

“All I want for Christmas is white genocide”

Lefty professor. Which of our loser leftists will defend this statement?

52 Jan December 27, 2016 at 12:26 am

Merry Christmas, Thomas.

53 Thanatos Savehn December 27, 2016 at 12:43 am

See how a p<.05 paper brings out the stupid in everybody? Maybe that's the point.

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